Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[TomsYoungerBro]

Are you seriously so tunnel focused on relics as to think it's the entire picture instead of a single piece of it?

And are you seriously so hard-pressed to defend this lazy relic change that you are willing to throw every straw man in the book to tie this to their future design philosophy? I would hardly call doing over 100+ of the same variant dungeon "solo friendly" when there are far better options if you just queue up duty finder lmao

[PintyMcEars]

And are you seriously so hard-pressed to defend this lazy relic change that you are willing to throw every straw man in the book to tie this to their future design philosophy? I would hardly call doing over 100+ of the same variant dungeon "solo friendly" when there are far better options if you just queue up duty finder lmao

The lack of awareness is delicious...

[Jojoya]

And are you seriously so hard-pressed to defend this lazy relic change that you are willing to throw every straw man in the book to tie this to their future design philosophy? I would hardly call doing over 100+ of the same variant dungeon "solo friendly" when there are far better options if you just queue up duty finder lmao

I'm stating the information that SE has given us and my speculation about how that information relates to the recent changes in the game such as the relic for this expansion.

That is not a defense. If you would bother reading would know that I'm not happy with some of the changes they're making. I am willing to wait to see how things turn out, though.

Making content solo friendly does not mean that content will be equally as efficient whether solo or playing in a group. They're already told us that their intent with Duty Support is to leave group play more efficient while giving those who do not wish to play with others. The relic change seems to be the same thing. As you point out, having to do 100 Variant runs for a relic is not going to be as efficient as running roulettes or other content in Duty Finder. It doesn't change that it does make it possible to obtain a relic without joining any parties. That technically makes it "solo friendly" compared to past relic grinds where you weren't going to be able to get your relic same expansion without joining in parties with other players. Even now, can you imagine trying to get one of the SB or ShB relics while being the only player in the exploration zone instance?

Now here is a defense: in the long run, it is SE's game and they can do with it what they want. They don't answer to the players. They answer to their shareholders.

It's up to the individual player to decide if the game is worth their continued subscription.

[ChrysOCE]

CBU3 answers to Square who answers to their shareholders. But we, as the players, can still express our disappointment with the direction of the game. Dawntrail is already done, so nothing is going to change there. Post patch, maybe. Expansion 6, maybe. But if we all just shut up and disappear, then Square never hears anything (assuming they are even willing to listen).
CBU can take FFXIV in any direction they want. I can complain about that direction.

[Hazama999]

IF the quest design continues to be a matter of essentially grafting the relic quest onto an existing set of quests with very menial requirements (get tomes, buy weapon, as it has been in EW) then no, I would not be opposed to them getting rid of "relic quests."

[RitsukoSonoda]

IF the quest design continues to be a matter of essentially grafting the relic quest onto an existing set of quests with very menial requirements (get tomes, buy weapon, as it has been in EW) then no, I would not be opposed to them getting rid of "relic quests."

Honestly the better solution would have been to delete the raid weapon tokens and let people just buy the weapon matching the tomestone armor and accessories without it. Then ppl will have their "catch up" weapon that doesn't require them to buy something off the marketboard. Then return Relic weapons back to being grind content to carry player activity between content cycles.

[Supersnow845]

Honestly the better solution would have been to delete the raid weapon tokens and let people just buy the weapon matching the tomestone armor and accessories without it. Then ppl will have their "catch up" weapon that doesn't require them to buy something off the marketboard. Then return Relic weapons back to being grind content to carry player activity between content cycles.

Exactly if they are so committed to having an easy catch up weapon that requires no effort then remove the 7 normal raids/savage tomestone requirement from the tomestone weapon and make it cost 1500 causality, then they can go wild with the relic

[Jojoya]

CBU3 answers to Square who answers to their shareholders. But we, as the players, can still express our disappointment with the direction of the game. Dawntrail is already done, so nothing is going to change there. Post patch, maybe. Expansion 6, maybe. But if we all just shut up and disappear, then Square never hears anything (assuming they are even willing to listen).
CBU can take FFXIV in any direction they want. I can complain about that direction.

Except they will have the feedback left before the player decides to unsub, assuming they have said anything. They will also have information from internal metrics showing changes in participation.

You can continue to complain about the direction but what will you do if the developers stick to the new direction?

Honestly the better solution would have been to delete the raid weapon tokens and let people just buy the weapon matching the tomestone armor and accessories without it. Then ppl will have their "catch up" weapon that doesn't require them to buy something off the marketboard. Then return Relic weapons back to being grind content to carry player activity between content cycles.

That makes sense. They could possibly add the raid tokens into the grind as well.

[Volgia]

CBU3 answers to Square who answers to their shareholders. But we, as the players, can still express our disappointment with the direction of the game. Dawntrail is already done, so nothing is going to change there. Post patch, maybe. Expansion 6, maybe. But if we all just shut up and disappear, then Square never hears anything (assuming they are even willing to listen).
CBU can take FFXIV in any direction they want. I can complain about that direction.

I agree with this sentiment. The shareholders want our money, this is a community based game and we definetly have an influence on how the game is shaped. I feel the sentiment "It's up to the individual player to see if the sub is worth it" is kind of spineless. Demand for the game to be better and if they don't listen then take that step out.

[Deceptus]

Unpopular Opinion:

I like the current model because I can progress the relic how I want to progress it and not be forced into what would probably be old content to do it. I can progress the relic simply by playing the game, not mindlessly grinding specific old content.

Did some people no life it and got everything through a mindless grind? Yes. But that's on them.

Could it be better incentivized? yes.

Should they have put relic mats on specific roulettes to get people in them (read: Alliance roulette)? Yes

Am I glad I'm not forced into specific old instances / content to progress a current relic: YES

I have everything at lvl 90. I don't need roulettes for the exp. I could get a relic every 3-4 days by simply doing roulettes every day if I wanted to, and that puts me in the content helping other players get what they need. And that improves the overall game for everyone.

I can tell you this:

I did maybe 2-3 relics in bozja because of the CLL and DR bottlenecks. It sucked.

I didn't do too many Eureka relics because of Pagos and the ridiculous light grinds with RNG bullsh!t. They sucked.