Square Enix should retire the relic quests with Endwalker

[VerdeLuck]

Person sounds like an alt belonging to a certain person on this forum that likes to poke their head into threads when people complain about the lack of a proper relic quest. Who thinks they're somehow qualified to hand out in game chores lists to people to complete because we want the relic to be something more than a way to make that "X tomestones were lost because you are already at capacity" message to go away for a day or 2.

Having an opinion that quality of life changes are good and the new features aren't all bad now makes you a "troll alt".

Lmao what a take. People on here will legitimately say anything to avoid the idea other people have different opinions than their little bubble.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Having an opinion that quality of life changes are good and the new features aren't all bad now makes you a "troll alt".

Lmao what a take. People on here will legitimately say anything to avoid the idea other people have different opinions than their little bubble.

No, your overall behavior which you've so graciously displayed yet again on this response is what is making people regard you as a "troll alt". Even more so when you've been the one saying anything you think will hold your little bubble together.

[Elkanah]

Relics are nothing short of glamor. And as patches progress (and expansions), they get easier and easier to obtain over the year(s). Why not just make them level 1 fully flashy glamor with a quest instead of making them a long winded grind that doesn't really do anything in the long run? They went from being worth their salt when ARR released (for like 5 minutes) to practically useless when endgame became available (at least till glamor became a thing). This way devs can work on other things (and not really have to worry about the combat stats). We all just want the shiny toy and its glow. Nobody cares about it being an actual product (when tome weapons become available after 7 weeks passed, or you finish the final raid of that series)

[Supersnow845]

Relics are nothing short of glamor. And as patches progress (and expansions), they get easier and easier to obtain over the year(s). Why not just make them level 1 fully flashy glamor with a quest instead of making them a long winded grind that doesn't really do anything in the long run? They went from being worth their salt when ARR released (for like 5 minutes) to practically useless when endgame became available (at least till glamor became a thing). This way devs can work on other things (and not really have to worry about the combat stats). We all just want the shiny toy and its glow. Nobody cares about it being an actual product (when tome weapons become available after 7 weeks passed, or you finish the final raid of that series)

If they are just glamour then what’s the downside or making them long grinds to achieve a reward

The main argument against them being grindy is that people see them as catch-up gear; if they were just exclusively glam then there is no reason to not make them long time fill grinds

[DiaDeem]

You're a relic
I'm a relic
Everyone's a relic

[Banriikku]

A simple truth:
NOT ALL CONTENT NEEDS TO BE FOR ALL PEOPLE. And with this in mind NOT ALL CONTENT should be solvable by all players.
Savage to hard ? Not for you.
Ultimate to hard? Not for you.
Fishing is not battle content? Not for you.
Crafting and Gathering is not battle content ? Not for you.
Relics to much time consuming ? NOT FOR YOU.

Relics are not and dont need to be BIS. They are a shiny bling bling for the collectors. Leave it that way.

At the moment we got 2 tomewepaons - Mandervill and the normal one and thats plain stupid. ALSO Relics were never hard, just time consuming.

Should we start to complain about crafting and gathering beeing a non battle thing ? MAKE it playable as tank and faster.... sounds stupid because it is.
We dont need 2 tome weapons......

I repeat relics are not hard just time consuming, multiple paths are welcome, we want a weapon tied to lore and exploration, relics are not BIS (except extreme cases, which lets be honest no casual ever will expierence).

[Supersnow845]

The problem is there is no limit to the logic of “if we make it more accessible more people will do it”

What if we logged on day 1 of the new expansion with Omni-90’s all ultimate weapons, necromancer, big fish, emblazoned and BIS for every job

By squares own metric then every piece of content has 100% engagement, in practice nobody would actually log on, where do you feasibly stop

[Turtledeluxe]

I was thinking why not offer a path where people can buy it with tomes and also create an alternative experience? I don't get why there can't be both aside from the fact it creates slightly more work for the dev team.

Or maybe introduce the exploratory zone method first and then the tome method later?

Do the average player actually do relic for the ilvl? I thought it was because of the way they look.

[Asari5]

tbh i wouldnt mind if they make a relic break for one expansion and instead making some primal weapons for the newer jobs

[Thurmnmurmn]

Grinding stopped being a thing after FFIII my dud. If we're talking about required grinding to progress.

Why would we talk about required to progress? Relic weapons aren't either.