Give DJ/ Roleplay events their own tab

[LianaThorne]

What is the problem with all of that exactly?
I think this is happening on NA servers because on EU we have some few of these ads and they are totally harmless.
Also, I remember I went on a casino before ShB ended with some old friends of mine and we had a good time there. We…I mean I lost a couple of millions but, you know it is how a casino works, still it was a nice “two-nights-break” from savaging.

I really don’t get the issue here, unless a player is bombed with private /tells from randoms advertising their own clubs, in which way are these players affecting others?
Players also can redirect the /shout and the /yell to another tab in their ChatBox to keep everything more clean when they have to step into big cities.

I’m not an RP/ERP and as much as I would like to see more PF for progging/clearing contents I hardly find annoying these PFs clubs/nights/casino and whatsoever.
I think they just give more color to the game which it lacks of it.
It’s an MMO and, beside what are doing the E/RP community (as well as tue modding comm), the game itself doesn’t do much to aggregate and create events where players can hang out together, meet new people and socialising…and maybe this is not a missing part from the game side, rather how it is supposed to be, to let players build their own content in the way they like.

If gambling is something that concerns a player…well gambling exists in real life too, and unless a player is also an activist against this activity who fights night and day to see it got ridden from the world…well, they can go on with their lives and remember that this is a game.

If 18+ rated clubs is something that concerns a player…well 18+ web sites and clubs are a real thing too, and unless they are an activist to persecute morality and decency, fighting night and days to see those got ridden from the world…well they can go in with their lives and remember that even they had had their “funny time” at least once too(if not, it’d explain a couple of things).

Maybe I’m missing something…

It's just the spam for me tbh. While I personally dislike venues for monetizing roleplay, the spam annoys me a lot more.

It would be a lot cleaner for venues to have their own category so it can be filtered out against the other ads that also take up the "Other" tab, like crafting jobs and item trades.

[Bonoki]

What is the problem with all of that exactly?
I think this is happening on NA servers because on EU we have some few of these ads and they are totally harmless.
Also, I remember I went on a casino before ShB ended with some old friends of mine and we had a good time there. We…I mean I lost a couple of millions but, you know it is how a casino works, still it was a nice “two-nights-break” from savaging.

I really don’t get the issue here, unless a player is bombed with private /tells from randoms advertising their own clubs, in which way are these players affecting others?
Players also can redirect the /shout and the /yell to another tab in their ChatBox to keep everything more clean when they have to step into big cities.

I’m not an RP/ERP and as much as I would like to see more PF for progging/clearing contents I hardly find annoying these PFs clubs/nights/casino and whatsoever.
I think they just give more color to the game which it lacks of it.
It’s an MMO and, beside what are doing the E/RP community (as well as tue modding comm), the game itself doesn’t do much to aggregate and create events where players can hang out together, meet new people and socialising…and maybe this is not a missing part from the game side, rather how it is supposed to be, to let players build their own content in the way they like.

If gambling is something that concerns a player…well gambling exists in real life too, and unless a player is also an activist against this activity who fights night and day to see it got ridden from the world…well, they can go on with their lives and remember that this is a game.

If 18+ rated clubs is something that concerns a player…well 18+ web sites and clubs are a real thing too, and unless they are an activist to persecute morality and decency, fighting night and days to see those got ridden from the world…well they can go in with their lives and remember that even they had had their “funny time” at least once too(if not, it’d explain a couple of things).

Maybe I’m missing something…

I'm not here to debate the ethnicity of clubs/venues but rather to create awareness that the harm is the evolution of such behaviors becoming normalized and widespread.

To a normal outside person clubs are just an RP gig. That is what they should be and some are. Others are not. For a while, I even thought about making my own until I shadowed a venue owner and saw what the behind the scenes was really like. This stuff is organized business. Not role playing and I will keep preaching that over and over. The guy I was following around introduced me to a pair of networks and contacts he had for getting his venue moving. Showed me the process behind advertising, who the competition is and how to find them. Staking out their clubs to steal their ideas and promote your own. Choosing the best day to venue. Had an entire spreadsheet for finances of where the money comes and goes, and which employees bring in the most money. One thing I learned is that venue owners love to brag about how much money they make. The entire time I shadowed him, we never did any RPing and all manager related issues were out of character. Infact most people at the club weren't even in-character at all. Especially Twitch chat where the DJ was. It was a community event (nothing wrong with that), disguised as role playing. And let me get something clear, this isn't role play. It's an operation. There is WAY too much OOC guidance and influence for it to ever be any meaningful real RP. (ERP besides). The club was making enough gil each night, the guy could practically RMT it away if he wanted to and I wouldn't be surprised if he did since he was well over gil cap already.

Wither or not any of this is ethical, that's subjective and up to the individual to decide. But it definitely changed my perspective and opinion on venues when you start looking at it from a manager side instead of a customer side. The fact this is such an effective way to profit has likely largely influenced the sheer value and spread of venues popping up and spamming shout chat.

[Jojoya]

Regardless of what people think about venues, they're common enough in the game now that it only makes sense to give them their own subcategory within Party Finder.

It's just the spam for me tbh. While I personally dislike venues for monetizing roleplay, the spam annoys me a lot more.

It would be a lot cleaner for venues to have their own category so it can be filtered out against the other ads that also take up the "Other" tab, like crafting jobs and item trades.

How many of the venues are actual roleplay as opposed to online socialization using the game's tools? I doubt it's that many. Just because virtual media is being used does not make the interaction any less real than it would be over phones, webcams and other media.

I think some have a blurred idea of what roleplay is as a result of the venues being created within a genre called "role playing game".

Wither or not any of this is ethical, that's subjective and up to the individual to decide. But it definitely changed my perspective and opinion on venues when you start looking at it from a manager side instead of a customer side. The fact this is such an effective way to profit has likely largely influenced the sheer value and spread of venues popping up and spamming shout chat.

How many venues reach that level of success?

Probably not that many, and it's still on the player if they're willing to support the venue's monetization system. Being a virtual currency in an online game, there is no harm done for the majority of individuals. They're simply having fun in an online environment.

For those who are susceptible to the negative effects, such as gambling addiction, they need real life help to develop awareness of those situations and avoid them. It's similar to those with food allergies learning to take extra care when getting food to make certain it doesn't contain whatever they are allergic to.

It's not realistic to try to protect everyone from every little thing that might hurt them.

[AnnRam]

True, how dare people have fun in a video game ? Absolutely disgusting, people should be out there grinding savage over and over again even after they dont get loot anymore, not having fun in clubs.

/s

"Yoo check this new brothel, +18, hot night tonight!, auctions hype!, don't forget to share your mare!"


How dare people to complain about literally brothels? dood make mods legit and stop wasting resources on MSQ or jobs,classes w.e just focus in make our houses more realistic in termos of ERP.

[Jojoya]

"Yoo check this new brothel, +18, hot night tonight!, auctions hype!, don't forget to share your mare!"


How dare people to complain about literally brothels? dood make mods legit and stop wasting resources on MSQ or jobs,classes w.e just focus in make our houses more realistic in termos of ERP.

Not certain what point you're trying to make here but I'll be blunt.

Participation is optional. I don't go to the venues or participate in their activities. I don't use any mods even though I'm on PC.

If someone chooses to engage in those things, that's their business and not mine.

On the subject of minors being exposed to them, let's be real. Minors have already been exposed to those things in real life in most cases no matter how much their parents think they're shielding their children (which usually means they aren't). Trying to pretend such things don't exist does not teach the child how to deal with those things when those subjects comes up on school campuses, during extracurricular activities, on TikTok and other social media that teens have their eyes practically glued to, etc.

It's on parents to teach their children to use common sense when engaging in online interactions and to offer supervision. They know their children are minors. We don't and it's ridiculous to expect us to interact with everyone as if they are a child.

[Halivel]

"Yoo check this new brothel, +18, hot night tonight!, auctions hype!, don't forget to share your mare!"


How dare people to complain about literally brothels? dood make mods legit and stop wasting resources on MSQ or jobs,classes w.e just focus in make our houses more realistic in termos of ERP.

I mean, if someone is dumb enough to write "brothel, share your mare" in an ad - you're welcome to report them, I'm fairly sure GMs will likely at least check it out.

If the ad says something along the lines of "club open, participants expected to be over 18" - there's no violation in that wording, because just because the game is rated 12+ in the US (it's rated 18+ where I live, for instance) doesn't mean that social events can't restrict who's allowed to attend them.

And when it comes to what's a child is doing in the game - it's the parent's job to check on their kid, not anyone else.


That being said, with RP being as big as it, I don't think having a dedicated section in PF would be a bad thing. If nothing else, role players could benefit from having it available. And it shouldn't be a hard thing to implement, either. At this moment, hovewer, "Other" is the proper tab to post RP stuff in, as that's where people were told to post it. It wasn't exactly occupied prior to it anyway.

[Xaruko_Nexume]

Took a break from the forums for the most part of 2 months, to play and enjoy the game and also new job...Not surprised to see the same half dozen or so folks complaining about the same things, but I find myself agreeing with Stormpeaks in this thread, to my surprise.

Am I the only one who remembers the early days of MMO's when players were thrilled to find a game that wasn't just about DPS and spreadsheets, but actually had social elements? Star Wars Galaxies comes to mind. For all the problems that game had, and there were many...The living, breathing world that each server had was so nice. It was like living a "second life" in Star Wars. There were cantinas with musicians and dancers that buffed, crafters of every kind, hell even politician was a job/class you could level...and player housing? Nahh, we had player created towns, built by, maintained, and named by players (shoutout to Som Crim on Dantooine)

Many people could (and famously did) play the entirety of the game as a crafter, entertainer, politician etc. and never touching combat. And it was wonderful. Im THANKFUL that FFXIV has such venues and stuff to do other than just engage in combat.

I still love the story, the music, the worlds, etc. Those things make FFXIV the perfect blend of sandbox and theme park elements. Spoon fed story driven content on rails, and virtually unlimited player created content too.

And ALL of it is optional if you dont want to participate in any of it you dont have to.

[Lunaxia]

Am I the only one who remembers the early days of MMO's when players were thrilled to find a game that wasn't just about DPS and spreadsheets, but actually had social elements? Star Wars Galaxies comes to mind. For all the problems that game had, and there were many...The living, breathing world that each server had was so nice. It was like living a "second life" in Star Wars. There were cantinas with musicians and dancers that buffed, crafters of every kind, hell even politician was a job/class you could level...and player housing? Nahh, we had player created towns, built by, maintained, and named by players (shoutout to Som Crim on Dantooine)

Many people could (and famously did) play the entirety of the game as a crafter, entertainer, politician etc. and never touching combat. And it was wonderful. Im THANKFUL that FFXIV has such venues and stuff to do other than just engage in combat.

Except FFXIV has... none of that, lol. It's literally all nightclubs with Twitch DJs and 18+ venues.

"Don't participate if you don't want to" only works when it keeps to itself, which it hasn't done for a while now. It's leeched over into PF and chat to an obnoxious degree, and expecting people to actively ignore parts of the game that can actually be useful for them to get away from it is basically sticking your hand in the sand because it's something you enjoy. You might like it, but when it starts stepping on the boundaries of players actually using the game for its intended purpose, then it's an issue.

[Payadopa]

Just harmless fun, right? It's definitely totally okay for people to cyber openly, and laws against gambling in Japan and most of Europe in no way influenced SE"s decision to make the activity against TOS. I'm sure none of these things happen in those venues despite half the advertisements either strongly alluding to them or stating it outright.

That's a uh... big leap in logic. lol Innocent until proven guilty and all that.

[Alaray]

To be honest, I feel like people tend to have disproportionate reactions to these things. Sure, it can be annoying if a page of the PF is a flooded ad for a single event, but I don't feel it's that big of a deal and I don't even engage with venues. A shout ad for a venue/event/fc or whatever is pretty whatever, but people do immediately tend to angrily rag on it, which... I mean, I just think it's... kind of childish when you can just move past it immediately. It' not like someone actually shouting things at you IRL or something. It's really easy to ignore, to be honest (I do it all the time).

I can understand minor annoyance in instances of actual spam and actual flooding of the PF for (1) event, but, I mean... it's all harmless stuff that's just people having some form of fun and looking for others to participate and it's... extremely easy to scroll past. If it's spam/flooding I feel like there's probably a rule about that? (and if not, I'd agree a rule about that would be beneficial in general).

I do think if it genuinely pisses you off or something that's much more a "you" issue. But, a lot of people are particularly (weirdly IMO) hostile towards the club venue stuff, or the DJ stuff and I... I'm kind of at a loss for why? Aside from minor/petty annoyance stuff... I don't get it. Like, I feel the issue would more be around flooding a page in PF (with -any- kind of advertisement) and not... uh, club venues and DJ's or whatever the specific popular-thing-you're-not-into is.

So... yeah, I'm for preventing flooding for 1 event or whatever it may be. But if an "other" tab is populated with a plethora of unique events (venues/dj stuff, whatever) I don't care - that's literally what the tab is for and I think they should be allowed to advertise their thing, and I don't think we'd need a New Tab for it, really. (Before the plethora of em, the Other tab was kinda dead with like a few people in it looking for... a crafter or something, usually? Or like, people... advertising for a chat buddy or something).

(Oh, I will add for people who say like "Public ERP" or whatever is the reason -- that is already against the rules? Just report it if you run into it?)