Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[DaichiSilurus]

So... you're upset that you can't cheese it anymore where you are guaranteed CT? The exact thing that pissed a lot of other people off because we were forced to do it because you wanted to cheese it?

I don't feel sorry for you in the slightest. If you are level 90, you should be entering the roulette with level 90 gear. Period. Cry more.

It's not "harmless fun" to force people who don't want to do CT to do CT every single day for their Alliance Roulette because you only feel like doing CT. It made people not want to do Alliance Roulette at all, because they knew that there was a 90 percent chance of getting CT due to cheesers or people who forgot to swap gear. It's not "harmless fun" to ruin the experience of other people because you feel like being lazy.

Again, if you want to do CT and only CT, just queue up for CT and don't do the Alliance Roulette (hell it's less rewarding now to do CT anyway so you'd be better of just doing CT without the roulette). But if you're level 90 with level 90 gear you should be willing to help other people do the other raids in the ADR.

You are misunderstanding their situation, and entirely misrepresenting what I was referring to when I said "harmless fun".

They are not FAR ENOUGH IN THE STORY to unlock the other raids. They cannot queue for a roulette of their currently available content without acquiring gear from multiple expansions ahead of their MSQ progress. That's not cheesing. They aren't deliberately trying to avoid unlocking or queuing into anything. They physically cannot do higher level raids without completing multiple expansions worth of story. They just want to play the game at their own pace and will unlock the other raids when they reach them.

You're now advocating for disabling roulettes for anyone who hasn't met an entirely arbitrary threshold of advancing fast enough through the story.

Christ, this solution doesn't even stop a character that's level 90 and has finished the MSQ from just choosing to not unlock the raids! They're punished far less than someone who's just outlevelled the MSQ! Go after them and advocate making the raids mandatory to progress MSQ instead if you want to be this annoyed about literally anyone existing that can't queue into level 90 raids.

When you really get down to it roulettes don't actually exist to give endgame players rewards. They exist to ensure that all content at all levels and all amounts of story progress has a healthy amount of players, the rewards exist to incentivise endgame players to sometimes end up in lower level content. Deliberately reducing your ilvl to restrict the content that can pop in a roulette is bad, that behaviour needed to be prevented, but the roulettes literally exist to make sure that players who are still at an earlier point in the story get people to play with.


EDIT: I also just noticed you say "if you want CT just queue for CT" and, like... You do realise that's also just going to put people from alliance roulette into CT, right? How is that any better? I don't understand the thought process at all.

[Snowfire]

You are misunderstanding their situation, and entirely misrepresenting what I was referring to when I said "harmless fun".

They are not FAR ENOUGH IN THE STORY to unlock the other raids. They cannot queue for a roulette of their currently available content without acquiring gear from multiple expansions ahead of their MSQ progress. That's not cheesing. They aren't deliberately trying to avoid unlocking or queuing into anything. They physically cannot do higher level raids without completing multiple expansions worth of story. They just want to play the game at their own pace and will unlock the other raids when they reach them.

You're now advocating for disabling roulettes for anyone who hasn't met an entirely arbitrary threshold of advancing fast enough through the story.

Christ, this solution doesn't even stop a character that's level 90 and has finished the MSQ from just choosing to not unlock the raids! They're punished far less than someone who's just outlevelled the MSQ! Go after them and advocate making the raids mandatory to progress MSQ instead if you want to be this annoyed about literally anyone existing that can't queue into level 90 raids.

When you really get down to it roulettes don't actually exist to give endgame players rewards. They exist to ensure that all content at all levels and all amounts of story progress has a healthy amount of players, the rewards exist to incentivise endgame players to sometimes end up in lower level content. Deliberately reducing your ilvl to restrict the content that can pop in a roulette is bad, that behaviour needed to be prevented, but the roulettes literally exist to make sure that players who are still at an earlier point in the story get people to play with.


EDIT: I also just noticed you say "if you want CT just queue for CT" and, like... You do realise that's also just going to put people from alliance roulette into CT, right? How is that any better? I don't understand the thought process at all.

You being lazy and not unlocking all of the raids does not mean that the rest of us should be punished for it. It literally takes two seconds to unlock these alliance raids. I unlocked Thaleia for 6.5 in like 15-30 minutes.

It is also not our fault that someone is still in Stormblood MSQ when they are level 90. That's on them, not on us.

[Erzaa]

You being lazy and not unlocking all of the raids does not mean that the rest of us should be punished for it. It literally takes two seconds to unlock these alliance raids. I unlocked Thaleia for 6.5 in like 15-30 minutes.

It is also not our fault that someone is still in Stormblood MSQ when they are level 90. That's on them, not on us.

How long does it take for someone who is currently in the Stormblood expansion to unlock Thaleia for 6.5?

Did you even read DaichiSilurus' response to you at all?

[Snowfire]

How long does it take for someone who is currently in the Stormblood expansion to unlock Thaleia for 6.5?

Did you even read DaichiSilurus' response to you at all?

So the rest of us should be punished and only do low level alliance raids because someone decided to wait to do the Stormblood MSQ until now when they are level 90?

[Erzaa]

So the rest of us should be punished and only do low level alliance raids because someone decided to wait to do the Stormblood MSQ until now when they are level 90?

How would you be punished by SE adding additional checks to set player level at their current MSQ progress and highest alliance raid unlocked?

You do realise CT is the only raid that's required for the MSQ right? A level 90 player in Endwalker gear could only have CT unlocked, if they queue you're getting CT either way.

The player you're thumbing your nose up at, already said they've unlocked EVERY raid to their current MSQ progress, which means if they're allowed to queue they'll have CT, Void Ark and Ivalice.

Do you understand the issue we're complaining about? I don't feel you have a grasp on what the actual issue is.

[DaichiSilurus]

You being lazy and not unlocking all of the raids does not mean that the rest of us should be punished for it. It literally takes two seconds to unlock these alliance raids. I unlocked Thaleia for 6.5 in like 15-30 minutes.

So the rest of us should be punished and only do low level alliance raids because someone decided to wait to do the Stormblood MSQ until now when they are level 90?

You yourself suggested in one of the posts I responded to that people queue directly for Crystal Tower if they have preference for playing it. That will put all the people in roulette into crystal tower just as surely as if someone entered the roulette while ineligible for all the other raids.

What's the difference, in your eyes, between doing that and doing the roulette when you haven't finished the story?

How does the level of the player entering the roulette matter in any way compared to their story progress?

How does the current solution in any way prevent a level 90 character who decides not to unlock the raids from 'punishing' people? Why are you attacking people who're just playing the game slowly and not suggesting that the devs make the raids mandatory?

And, again, you haven't addressed the purpose of roulettes. They exist to make sure people who haven't unlocked endgame content have the ability to run the content they have unlocked. If you want to do endgame raids why don't you queue them directly?

[Snowfire]

You yourself suggested in one of the posts I responded to that people queue directly for Crystal Tower if they have preference for playing it. That will put all the people in roulette into crystal tower just as surely as if someone entered the roulette while ineligible for all the other raids.

What's the difference, in your eyes, between doing that and doing the roulette when you haven't finished the story?

You can queue for CT whenever you want with whatever gear you want. The change was to specifically make it so people couldn't unequip their gear to guarantee only one alliance raid.

I know this may shock you, but some of us want to actually be able to play ALL the alliance raids when we do ADR. We don't want ADR to be CTR, which is what it was before and caused people TO NOT GO INTO ADR AT ALL. Which is a PROBLEM.

Maybe what SqEnx did is not the absolute best solution, but it is better than it was before.

[DaichiSilurus]

You can queue for CT whenever you want with whatever gear you want.

And when you do that it will have the exact same impact on people queueing for alliance raid roulette as if you had ilvl cheesed. The exact same people you're saying shouldn't be doing the roulette WILL STILL PUT YOU IN LOW LEVEL RAIDS if they just queue them. It will have literally 0 effect on how often you get a particular raid.

Ilvl cheesers didn't want to do CT specifically for its own sake, they just wanted the roulette rewards in the fastest time possible. There is nobody here saying ilvl cheesing is good. There is nobody here saying go back to how it was. We are asking for a more specific solution that doesn't accidentally hurt players who just want to run the content they've reached in the story.

Your attitude seems to be that roulettes are only for endgame players to get some bonus tomes for doing Aglaia or whatever. Again, this is not what they are for. The rewards are there to make it so that endgame players queue and populate lower level content for players who are still working their way through the story. Preventing endgame players from forcing it to act a particular way for their own benefit is GOOD. Preventing players who are not yet and endgame from using it, through no fault of their own, is BAD.

It sounds like you'd rather have a level 90 player with level 90 MSQ and level 90 gear and no optional raids unlocked force you into CT than a level 90 player with level 73 MSQ and level 73 gear give you a chance to get Ivalice. You're mad at the wrong thing. You make that second player buy marketboard gear and they still can't get you into a level 90 raid.

Where does this end? If it's bad to queue a roulette when you can't do every duty in it are we now no longer allowed to use them to level up jobs?

[Snowfire]

And when you do that it will have the exact same impact on people queueing for alliance raid roulette as if you had ilvl cheesed. The exact same people you're saying shouldn't be doing the roulette WILL STILL PUT YOU IN LOW LEVEL RAIDS if they just queue them. It will have literally 0 effect on how often you get a particular raid.

Ilvl cheesers didn't want to do CT specifically for its own sake, they just wanted the roulette rewards in the fastest time possible. There is nobody here saying ilvl cheesing is good. There is nobody here saying go back to how it was. We are asking for a more specific solution that doesn't accidentally hurt players who just want to run the content they've reached in the story.

Your attitude seems to be that roulettes are only for endgame players to get some bonus tomes for doing Aglaia or whatever. Again, this is not what they are for. The rewards are there to make it so that endgame players queue and populate lower level content for players who are still working their way through the story. Preventing endgame players from forcing it to act a particular way for their own benefit is GOOD. Preventing players who are not yet and endgame from using it, through no fault of their own, is BAD.

It sounds like you'd rather have a level 90 player with level 90 MSQ and level 90 gear and no optional raids unlocked force you into CT than a level 90 player with level 73 MSQ and level 73 gear give you a chance to get Ivalice. You're mad at the wrong thing. You make that second player buy marketboard gear and they still can't get you into a level 90 raid.

Where does this end? If it's bad to queue a roulette when you can't do every duty in it are we now no longer allowed to use them to level up jobs?

If I never see CT again I would be happy. I don't mind doing it if someone is genuinely level 50 and is doing it for the first time. But the excuse that "it's the only alliance raid I've unlocked and I'm level 90" doesn't work for me. At that point you are either lazy or intentionally not unlocking them, either because you don't want to or because you decided to grind all the way to level 90 before finishing story content from 20 levels ago.

Either way, that's not our problem. Yeah, you might not be able to do alliance roulette for a couple weeks while you get that ilvl requirement, but the alternative where it's CT all the time is a lot worse.

Also your point is ringing kind of hollow when there was literally someone in here complaining about the change because they "couldn't force it to be CT anymore". I.e. "I can't cheese content and punish other people who may not want to do CT every single day anymore boo hoo". Forgive me if I am not wringing my hands over it.

[DaichiSilurus]

If I never see CT again I would be happy. I don't mind doing it if someone is genuinely level 50 and is doing it for the first time. But the excuse that "it's the only alliance raid I've unlocked and I'm level 90" doesn't work for me.

And if someone has finished the MSQ but is levelling a new job that's currently level 55? They're going to force you into CT, should they be barred from using the roulette because it's inconvenient for you?