Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[Sani2341]

Is fun not a good enough reason? Progressing through the story at your own rate or with your friends but still wanting to enjoy the game shouldn't be punished

I mean as this change does nothing to actually stop you from playing alliance raids, no not really. If you enjoy playing them, nothing in this patch stops you from queue for them Outside the Roulette to have fun there.

My philosophy on games is that they should be built around fun first and foremost. If a player enjoys queuing for alliance but they can't because of a very badly implemented entry requirement, there is a major problem.

But if they want to run for fun they can still queue for the alliance raids Outside the Roulette as I mentioned before.
There they can even preselect the raids to the 5 most fun ones for them.
So no amount of potentially fun activities is kept from these players by this change, only the Roulette rewards.

And I still don't see the Argument for needing those XP as you:

A) still have access to every other Roulette.
B) can't actually do anything with the higher level you gain unless you Progress the story
C) have a number of other jobs to lvl if leaving those exp on the table bothers you.

[Jojoya]

I don't know, there might even be a better fix than this one, but surely the current fix isn't complete?

This isn't SE implementing a fix. This is SE implementing a frequent suggestion from the player base that SE felt was reasonable in scope.

I don't think either side foresaw this complication from the change but then the first thing most MMO players do when they level up is get the best gear they can afford. They usually don't settle for using gear several levels below what they could equip since better gear means enemies dying faster and greater survivability when not level synced.

If SE is going to make some sort of adjustment to remove the complication, it could be a few months before they have it tested and ready to implement. Such code changes can be tricky with the potential of causing more problems than they solve. What will you do in the meanwhile?

I understand not wanting to buy gear to get access to the roulette as a matter of principle, but principles aren't going to get you access to the roulette.

Right now, a player on the NA worlds could purchase the materials to make a full set of Classical fending gear with weapon (ilvl 580) for about 20,000 gil and give them to a friend willing to do the crafting for them. That's not per piece, that's materials for the entire set and prices would be roughly the same regardless of what set was needed. I doubt the EU prices are all that much different for the materials.

It's up to you as to whether you want to wait for SE to make an additional change which could be next week or next year or never, or spend a little gil so you'll have access to the roulette again faster.

[AmorfaVex]

I mean as this change does nothing to actually stop you from playing alliance raids, no not really. If you enjoy playing them, nothing in this patch stops you from queue for them Outside the Roulette to have fun there.


But if they want to run for fun they can still queue for the alliance raids Outside the Roulette as I mentioned before.
There they can even preselect the raids to the 5 most fun ones for them.
So no amount of potentially fun activities is kept from these players by this change, only the Roulette rewards.

And I still don't see the Argument for needing those XP as you:

A) still have access to every other Roulette.
B) can't actually do anything with the higher level you gain unless you Progress the story
C) have a number of other jobs to lvl if leaving those exp on the table bothers you.

This.

Thank you!

You can still Q manually and experience all the content you want. You just cant get the rewards for doing it as a roulette. (XP, which is pointless at 90, and tomestones you cant use until you finish EW.)

[Erzaa]

This isn't SE implementing a fix. This is SE implementing a frequent suggestion from the player base that SE felt was reasonable in scope.

I don't think either side foresaw this complication from the change but then the first thing most MMO players do when they level up is get the best gear they can afford. They usually don't settle for using gear several levels below what they could equip since better gear means enemies dying faster and greater survivability when not level synced.

If SE is going to make some sort of adjustment to remove the complication, it could be a few months before they have it tested and ready to implement. Such code changes can be tricky with the potential of causing more problems than they solve. What will you do in the meanwhile?

I understand not wanting to buy gear to get access to the roulette as a matter of principle, but principles aren't going to get you access to the roulette.

Right now, a player on the NA worlds could purchase the materials to make a full set of Classical fending gear with weapon (ilvl 580) for about 20,000 gil and give them to a friend willing to do the crafting for them. That's not per piece, that's materials for the entire set and prices would be roughly the same regardless of what set was needed. I doubt the EU prices are all that much different for the materials.

It's up to you as to whether you want to wait for SE to make an additional change which could be next week or next year or never, or spend a little gil so you'll have access to the roulette again faster.

I'd accept waiting a few months, potentially 6.55, for a fix. An acknowledgement from SE that it's there and will be fixed in a future update will be grand.

[Toutatis]

This.

Thank you!

You can still Q manually and experience all the content you want. You just cant get the rewards for doing it as a roulette. (XP, which is pointless at 90, and tomestones you cant use until you finish EW.)

You can’t group up with friends that want to do the roulette. That was the whole point of doing AR for me.

[PyurBlue]

But if they want to run for fun they can still queue for the alliance raids Outside the Roulette as I mentioned before.
There they can even preselect the raids to the 5 most fun ones for them.
So no amount of potentially fun activities is kept from these players by this change, only the Roulette rewards.

That's oversimplying things though isn't it? You can ignore the XP systems in the game and play only content that you want to, but that works best when you're already done with everything. If you start doing that early on, you're not going to progress very fast, which cuts you off from most content.

Playing for fun doesn't mean that is the only thing you play for, especially when the game you're playing just isn't designed that way. The ilvl restriction is still an obstacle for fun because it limits your options both in pure gameplay and progression, and progression can't be ignored in a game that only gives you so much content at a time.

And I still don't see the Argument for needing those XP as you:

A) still have access to every other Roulette.
B) can't actually do anything with the higher level you gain unless you Progress the story
C) have a number of other jobs to lvl if leaving those exp on the table bothers you.

A - Roulettes are among the best source of XP per time. If player time is unlimited, then yes they can just do something else, like grind dungeons indefinitely until level cap. Realistic, people don't just play the game 24 hours a day, so having say 5 roulettes with double XP is better than 4 roulettes with double XP and 2 dungeons with 1x XP

B - Being ahead of the MSQ can be convenient in that it simplifies gearing and smooths the difficulty curve, because you're never at risk of being underleveled/geared. It also gives you more skills to play with, barring job quest locks. And of course going back to time efficiency, it doesn't matter that much if your level doesn't benefit you in the MSQ if you're trying to make an alt for raiding or something.

C - Other jobs aren't a consideration if you don't want to play them

You're right in that there are ways to mitigate some of the problems, but why not just fix the problem entirely?

I don't think either side foresaw this complication from the change

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6307587

You can’t group up with friends that want to do the roulette. That was the whole point of doing AR for me.

I forgot to even consider this, but it's the nature of poorly thought out solutions. They can create problems you don't even consider in the first place.

[DaichiSilurus]

I also saw this problem coming as soon as I read the patch notes, it's blatantly obvious as a consequence of what they did...

Wanting to run alliance raid roulettes with your friends who are either lower level or further on in the story is a the biggest reason why this needs to be fixed, because you're going to end up left out because you can't queue the same way as them. But even aside from that, it's perfectly valid to just WANT to run the roulette the way you always have. As Pyur said, you can mitigate the problem but it's one that should never have been introduced in the first place. It definitely didn't need to be.

What people are saying here amounts to "your harmless way of having fun is bad, and it's a good thing actually that you're not allowed to do it any more without jumping through pointless hoops". Absolutely ridiculous.

[AmorfaVex]

You can’t group up with friends that want to do the roulette. That was the whole point of doing AR for me.

Your friends wont outside of the roulette with you or cant help you get the gear you need?

[Ezlin]

Though the situation is rushed, I am glad for the change. Myths is currently skewing alliance raid a bit but this has already improved the roulette experience for me. As it is I already only ever do Normal, Trials, and Alliance, and Alliance roulette was about to be removed from that already very small rotation. Knock on wood, time will tell, but this change may have saved alliance roulette for me.

I suspect that those of us who are enjoying the change are FAR less likely to use the forums because forums are where people go to complain and when we're enjoying it, we're not complaining.

Perhaps they can just stop locking tome gear behind MSQ progress. That seems like a no brainer to me. Locking something like gear behind MSQ is anachronistic, frankly. Or at the very least, improve AF gear or introduce a new batch of gear for free that may be provided by the Grand Company or something.

Regardless, it'll probably be adjusted.

Until it's adjusted, you can always level an alt job. It's a fantastic opportunity to experiment.

[OskarXCI]

People reducing their item level and/or not unlocking the Lv60+ raids has the consequence of making it hard for people to actually unlock and do the Lv60+ raids.

It's a problem brought on the playerbase by the playerbase.

In this instance, I think it's better if first timers has an easier time unlocking and doing the raids than people with alts being inconvenienced for not doing content with their alts.

It's very easy to reach the item level requirement for each level range. People are just lazy on that part.