Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[Snowfire]

I'm going to state it simply. I am mid-way through Stormblood. I started playing FFXIV less than a year ago. I like taking my time with the MSQ and most days all I want to do is a roulette or two, check on my retainers, hang out with my FC. I am on Dynamis so at some points I have seen 600%+ EXP buffs with the Road to 80. One MSQ roulette usually = 2+ levels gained, so you can level a job 50-60 in a week without even trying. I have levelled 11 of 19 jobs to 60 almost entirely via MSQ, tomestone events, and daily roulettes because I wanted to spread around some of that EXP. I only do MSQ on one job now because that alone is so much EXP. It's ridiculous. The point I am making is playing multiple jobs is completely insufficient to deal with overlevelling, it is not that simple so please stop saying it.

I have the level 50 & 60 alliance raids unlocked because that is what I have access to. I want to be able to do alliance raids with the jobs that I enjoy playing the most and am most comfortable with. I do not enjoy playing most of those 11 jobs I have levelled. And a lot of the time, queuing for the roulette is substantially faster than hard-queuing for individual raids. I enjoy alliance raids and want to play them more often, is that so strange?

I do not want to buy my level 90 jobs level 90 market board equipment because I do not *need* level 90 market board equipment. I have plenty of gil, that is not the problem. I entirely understand why the requirements have been introduced. It cannot be that hard to change the ilvl requirement to be based on the player's highest raid's level.

If I could have turned off Road to 80 when I finished ARR I completely would have, but now it feels like I'm being punished for simply being on Dynamis and not speedrunning the MSQ like a significant chunk of the replies on this thread seems to think you should. I hope someone from SquareEnix has more patience to read this thread than I do and appreciates what a disappointment this is for people who just want to have fun playing this game and aren't min-maxers or cheaters.

Who said you need to go buy level 90 gear? It's based on the bare minimum you need to do raids at level 90, which you pretty much have by the end of Endwalker just from playing the MSQ.

If you aren't level 90, you'll just get the alliance raids that are at your current level or lower. It's not a big deal.

Maybe I can clarify. If ALL your jobs are level 90, then you will need the minimum ilvl required to do level 90 for the Aglaia raid.

If you are doing the Alliance Roulette with a level 70 job, you will only need your ilvl to be the minimum for the Stormblood raids (Return to Ivalice). If you don't have Ivalice unlocked, it will do the other two (CT and the Sky Pirate ones). You can do the Alliance Roulette with whatever job and level you want. It will just make you equip your best gear for your job's current level.

[Seera1024]

Who said you need to go buy level 90 gear? It's based on the bare minimum you need to do raids at level 90, which you pretty much have by the end of Endwalker just from playing the MSQ.

If you aren't level 90, you'll just get the alliance raids that are at your current level or lower. It's not a big deal.

Maybe I can clarify. If ALL your jobs are level 90, then you will need the minimum ilvl required to do level 90 for the Aglaia raid.

If you are doing the Alliance Roulette with a level 70 job, you will only need your ilvl to be the minimum for the Stormblood raids (Return to Ivalice). If you don't have Ivalice unlocked, it will do the other two (CT and the Sky Pirate ones). You can do the Alliance Roulette with whatever job and level you want. It will just make you equip your best gear for your job's current level.

I think you've missed the point of their post.

They don't want to buy gear just to enter an roulette that will only have them enter content that requires gear of a much lower level.

And I can understand that. It greatly removes the value of the rewards of the MSQ and class quests afterwards if they already have something more powerful. Yes, they have the coin option instead, but I always like it more when I can increase my gear stats than when I choose the coin option.

I wish they had tied it to MSQ progression rather than level. Because you can't enter an expansion's alliance raid without completing it's MSQ first. Or locking to iLvl for highest one done - the roulette system can obviously check for that given Expert queue. The player who only has CT unlocked will always only generate CT raids regardless of what their gear's iLvl is. So no point forcing that player to get wear higher iLvl gear.

[Fyrebrand]

I wasn't believing it would prevent CT appearing a lot, so people who do this roulette, has it changed that you get CT?

No one can answer that, it's only been a few days. Personally, I've gotten Weeping City, Syrcus Tower, and Aglaia. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing. I'm one person. There are probably hundreds of people who have still gotten nothing but Crystal Tower and will say the new system doesn't do anything. And also hundreds who haven't gotten any Crystal Tower yet and will claim the new system as totally obliterated Crystal Tower from roulette forever. It's all just individual anecdotes, not data.

[Snowfire]

I think you've missed the point of their post.

They don't want to buy gear just to enter an roulette that will only have them enter content that requires gear of a much lower level.

And I can understand that. It greatly removes the value of the rewards of the MSQ and class quests afterwards if they already have something more powerful. Yes, they have the coin option instead, but I always like it more when I can increase my gear stats than when I choose the coin option.

I wish they had tied it to MSQ progression rather than level. Because you can't enter an expansion's alliance raid without completing it's MSQ first. Or locking to iLvl for highest one done - the roulette system can obviously check for that given Expert queue. The player who only has CT unlocked will always only generate CT raids regardless of what their gear's iLvl is. So no point forcing that player to get wear higher iLvl gear.

Show me in the patch notes where it said you need to be level 90 to do the Alliance roulette at all. That's not what it said.

If you're a level 50 job, you gotta have level 50 gear on to do the roulette.
If you're a level 60 job, you gotta have level 60 gear on to do the roulette.
If you're a level 70 job, you gotta have level 70 gear on to do the roulette.
If you're a level 80 job, you gotta have level 80 gear on to do the roulette.
If you're a level 90 job, you gotta have level 90 gear on to do the roulette.

Square Enix did not make it so you NEED to be level 90 to do the Alliance Roulette at all. That would be asinine.

The problem is people cheese the roulette to make sure they only get CT, which is not fair to the people who don't want to do CT all the time. So you have to make it ilvl and not something else. Yes, if someone only ever has CT unlocked, even at level 90, then it's gonna be CT. But the point is that people can't cheese it anymore, or forget to change their gear and make everyone else suffer because of it.

And again, it's based on the *bare minimum* ilvl required to do the first alliance raid at whatever level your job currently is. Which, if you are doing the MSQ, you are at when you finish the MSQ for that expansion. So no, you don't have to buy gear. No one is going to be level 90 with only level 60 gear and their level 60 gear is their best gear.

[Snowfire]

No one can answer that, it's only been a few days. Personally, I've gotten Weeping City, Syrcus Tower, and Aglaia. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing. I'm one person. There are probably hundreds of people who have still gotten nothing but Crystal Tower and will say the new system doesn't do anything. And also hundreds who haven't gotten any Crystal Tower yet and will claim the new system as totally obliterated Crystal Tower from roulette forever. It's all just individual anecdotes, not data.

I haven't gotten CT since 6.5 landed. I think I got Rabanastre and Euphrosyne the two times I've done it since the patch. So good so far.

[OgruMogru]

I haven't gotten CT since 6.5 landed. I think I got Rabanastre and Euphrosyne the two times I've done it since the patch. So good so far.

I got it twice today out of the three Alliance roulettes I queued for whilst waiting for an FC mate to unlock new dungeon. I'm cursed!

[Sir_Mannington]

After reading this thread I can at least understand why the changes were made. However, I as someone who has just finished Stormblood would simply like another easy option to help level my higher classes for the next expansions, and get tome stones to get the newest gear. But my level 80 class is supposed to be geared for content I don't have access to yet, and my 70+ class needs more gear from tome stones that are now harder to get because of these changes.

These inconveniences may be minor, but they still affect players who don't have access to all the content these changes are targeted at. If it could maybe check story progress as well as level that would be appreciated.

[Eris249]

Even after the changes I will still get Crystal Tower raids 100% of the time because it is the only alliance raids, I have ever unlocked. Does that mean if I'm above level 50 I will still have to use gear my level even when it's the only alliance raid unlocked to use the roulette.

[kaynide]

Like the title says, why is the Alliance Raid roulette suddenly ilvl locked?

When you have all the expansions purchased, you can end up leveling all the way up to 90 while still being in HW or SB and still only having those alliance raids opened.

So I have a character who's only at the end of HW and just getting the Void Ark raids, but I'm being told I'm locked out of allaince raid roulette because I don't have ilvl 565 gear? When the highest alliance raid I have access to only requires 175 gear?

Does anyone know how I can remove that? Or if I can't, a way to ask SE to fix it so it goes by highest raid we have unlocked instead of level? (unless they're going to start locking levels by what content we're in)

No, I'm not trolling; yes, this is legitimately bothering me.

Regardless of the alliance raid specivic ilvl drops, as a level 90 character you have access to equipment to get you to proper ilvl quite easily.

If you were level 60 (the HW alliance raid level), the requirement would be much less.

Imho however, the ivl “kick in” should be at the 1s. So 50-60 is the lowest; 61-70 being the HW ilvl, and ultimately at 90, it would only require a ilvl suitable for the 81-90 alliance requirement (which would be Shadowbringers). This would still allow some degree of cheesing to avoid the 90 series, but it would also be extremely easy to have an appropriate ilvl for alliance raid roulette.

TL;dr, this is what people complaining about ilvl cheesing were asking for, and it is exactly what they got.

[anarchaeopteryx]

If you are doing the Alliance Roulette with a level 70 job, you will only need your ilvl to be the minimum for the Stormblood raids (Return to Ivalice). If you don't have Ivalice unlocked, it will do the other two (CT and the Sky Pirate ones). You can do the Alliance Roulette with whatever job and level you want. It will just make you equip your best gear for your job's current level.

That is exactly the problem. I do not want to equip the best gear for my job's current level because some of my jobs are currently at lv 90 and I am at MSQ lv 66 with CT and Dun Scaith/Mhach/Void Ark unlocked. I do not have access to the required level 90 armour except through market board or trading with other players. I do not have access to the 70/80/90 alliance raids. I cannot do those higher level raids with my higher level jobs because I cannot unlock them yet.

So as the system currently works, if I want to queue for the Alliance Roulette with my level 90 jobs with just CT and Mhach as options I have to buy and equip level 90 armour - just to be synced down to level 50 or 60 anyway. That's absurd. I *can* do the level 50/60 raids with my jobs that are under level 70, but I would *like* to be able to do them with my level 90 jobs as well. Also, just by doing an alliance raid roulette those level 50/60 jobs are liable to go up 2-3 levels per day so will *very* quickly become too overlevelled as well. When I hit max level on every job, we're back to square 1: buying unnecessarily high level equipment just to do this roulette. Makes no sense.