Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[Arkdra]

People reducing their item level and/or not unlocking the Lv60+ raids has the consequence of making it hard for people to actually unlock and do the Lv60+ raids.

It's a problem brought on the playerbase by the playerbase.

In this instance, I think it's better if first timers has an easier time unlocking and doing the raids than people with alts being inconvenienced for not doing content with their alts.

It's very easy to reach the item level requirement for each level range. People are just lazy on that part.

Seriously, op should just buy the gear off the marketboard. Or get the mats and get someone to craft it. You just need 565, that's so low I am certain you could put together a hodge-podge set of nonsense for 300k or less to get that ilvl.

[Snowfire]

That is exactly the problem. I do not want to equip the best gear for my job's current level because some of my jobs are currently at lv 90 and I am at MSQ lv 66 with CT and Dun Scaith/Mhach/Void Ark unlocked. I do not have access to the required level 90 armour except through market board or trading with other players. I do not have access to the 70/80/90 alliance raids. I cannot do those higher level raids with my higher level jobs because I cannot unlock them yet.

So as the system currently works, if I want to queue for the Alliance Roulette with my level 90 jobs with just CT and Mhach as options I have to buy and equip level 90 armour - just to be synced down to level 50 or 60 anyway. That's absurd. I *can* do the level 50/60 raids with my jobs that are under level 70, but I would *like* to be able to do them with my level 90 jobs as well. Also, just by doing an alliance raid roulette those level 50/60 jobs are liable to go up 2-3 levels per day so will *very* quickly become too overlevelled as well. When I hit max level on every job, we're back to square 1: buying unnecessarily high level equipment just to do this roulette. Makes no sense.

So... you're upset that you can't cheese it anymore where you are guaranteed CT? The exact thing that pissed a lot of other people off because we were forced to do it because you wanted to cheese it?

I don't feel sorry for you in the slightest. If you are level 90, you should be entering the roulette with level 90 gear. Period. Cry more.

[Bonoki]

So... you're upset that you can't cheese it anymore where you are guaranteed CT? The exact thing that pissed a lot of other people off because we were forced to do it because you wanted to cheese it?

I don't feel sorry for you in the slightest. If you are level 90, you should be entering the roulette with level 90 gear. Period. Cry more.

I just dont queue up for the roulette. It's not even good for exp anyway. It's what people should be doing if they don't like the roulette is just not queue for it.

[Snowfire]

I just dont queue up for the roulette. It's not even good for exp anyway. It's what people should be doing if they don't like the roulette is just not queue for it.

Exactly. If people want to just do CT, they can queue for just CT without the roulette. That way you're guaranteed to get CT with people who WANTED to do it in the first place, and not people who were trying for MotR or the Nier raids and got CT for the 1000th time.

[Snowfire]

People reducing their item level and/or not unlocking the Lv60+ raids has the consequence of making it hard for people to actually unlock and do the Lv60+ raids.

It's a problem brought on the playerbase by the playerbase.

In this instance, I think it's better if first timers has an easier time unlocking and doing the raids than people with alts being inconvenienced for not doing content with their alts.

It's very easy to reach the item level requirement for each level range. People are just lazy on that part.

If I could like this more than once I would.

This is exactly the issue. People are lazy and don't want to do a little bit of extra work. Hell I'm pretty sure there are NPC vendors who can sell you ilvl 565 gear in either Sharlayan or Radz.

[LumKitty]

The devs only need to, and really should, care about the people actually paying for the game. The free trial should be a carrot that makes you want to purchase and subscribe to the game, but they have no need to deal with a very small subsection of players being, and I can't emphasize this enough, temporarily unable to engage with one piece of content. In fact, the devs may view this as either entirely intentional because it is something that encourages people to make the purchase, or a fortunate side effect because of how it works out. The impacted players haven't lost entire access to the roulette, they lost access to it for a period of time. And the only people who really lose it where they can do nothing about it are people on free trials. New, paying players can resolve this quite easily.

The purpose of the free trial is surely to convert you into a paying customer. Saying to a player "oops you did things in the wrong order, and now we're gonna remove something you have previously enjoyed until you go and do this other thing we want you do to first" is just gonna P people off.

It's not the same as DMs and parties which you're told from the start will be missing, and are obvious to any reasonable person that doing this can also prevent abuse, it's actively removing content because you played the game in a way the devs dont like.

So what exactly do people that are way overleveled gain from running Alliance Roulette over manually queing for their 5 favs of the Alliance raids?

They obviously don't need the exp. After all they clearly want to take their time with the MSQ, which means any and all end level content is far out of reach due to being locked behind said MSQ.

Fun? Playing a game with friends?

The MSQ is long, and sometimes you want to take it in at a certain pace. I've only just started shadowbringers and yesterday played MSQ for 9 hours straight, in the time I hit one dungeon and one solo duty, the rest of the time I may as well have been playing a single player game or a visual novel. This is fine, don't get me wrong, but this is an MMO and some times I just wanna hang out with friends and do some roulettes, in a week's time I'll prog MSQ some more.

Lots of people have said the same thing in different ways... tie it to MSQ level, not to job level meaning the ILVL requirement is tied to gear and content that is actually available to you, that would still get most CT cheesers without locking out content for people playing the game legitimately in their own way.

[Melphina_Dragonfyre]

Seriously, op should just buy the gear off the marketboard. Or get the mats and get someone to craft it. You just need 565, that's so low I am certain you could put together a hodge-podge set of nonsense for 300k or less to get that ilvl.

This point has been brought up many times now and every time it is the people making it blind themselves to the response. The gil is not an issue. I mentioned that I spend a lot of time crafting and gathering. After several years it's a given that I can buy the Ilvl off the market board for my lvl 90 warrior. I could probably buy a hundred sets if I wanted. But I don't want to have to do that. It diminishes the value of the gear to me. I've always kept myself geared for my level, and that there is no other content that requires me to have gear 20 levels over my MSQ progression. So why should a roulette be any different?

It's a matter of principal, and to some of us that matters. I enjoy FF 14 for the immersion and storytelling. I queue alliance raids because I find them fun. I've unlocked every alliance raid available to me and I plan to unlock every raid in future content too. I never cheesed CT but I'm being punished for it now. I craft my own gear, and its trivial to just craft an extra set for personal use when I'm going through the achievement grind. The problem is some people just view gear as a means to an end, or the experience grind as "something you have to do to get to the fun stuff". That fun stuff is probably ultimates or extremes and trying to push world kill speed records. If that's what you enjoy that's perfectly valid and fine, but there is another group of people who enjoy different things. I enjoy the gathering classes becauase they take me around the overworld and I get to see the sights and appreciate the music and scenery in the different zones. Logging in the lush fields of Anyx trine versus mining the salt mines of gyr abania is a vastly different experience and each zone has a lore behind it. I appreciate these nuances in the zones, but to some I'm sure they just represent "a place to go to do a quest"

What people are saying here amounts to "your harmless way of having fun is bad, and it's a good thing actually that you're not allowed to do it any more without jumping through pointless hoops". Absolutely ridiculous.

This is what it boils down to. Forcing someone to play a specific way in a game that's open ended, and up until now has never enforced those limitations is the heart of why people are disgruntled. It's a valid reason. Different people play games for different reasons, and no one way is better than the other.

[Snowfire]

This is what it boils down to. Forcing someone to play a specific way in a game that's open ended, and up until now has never enforced those limitations is the heart of why people are disgruntled. It's a valid reason. Different people play games for different reasons, and no one way is better than the other.

It's not "harmless fun" to force people who don't want to do CT to do CT every single day for their Alliance Roulette because you only feel like doing CT. It made people not want to do Alliance Roulette at all, because they knew that there was a 90 percent chance of getting CT due to cheesers or people who forgot to swap gear. It's not "harmless fun" to ruin the experience of other people because you feel like being lazy.

Again, if you want to do CT and only CT, just queue up for CT and don't do the Alliance Roulette (hell it's less rewarding now to do CT anyway so you'd be better of just doing CT without the roulette). But if you're level 90 with level 90 gear you should be willing to help other people do the other raids in the ADR.

[Melphina_Dragonfyre]

It's not "harmless fun" to force people who don't want to do CT to do CT every single day for their Alliance Roulette because you only feel like doing CT. It made people not want to do Alliance Roulette at all, because they knew that there was a 90 percent chance of getting CT due to cheesers or people who forgot to swap gear.

Again, if you want to do CT and only CT, just queue up for CT and don't do the Alliance Roulette

I would rather see dun scaith or ivalice pop in the aliance raid myself. Crystal tower is the least engaging of the alliance raids because it's the oldest and has the simplest mechanics. lvl 50 content doesn't have most of the fun abilities higher level raids do. I've always been geared for my level and I unlocked all the raids, so I could get shuffled into anything the duty finder had available to me. That's the differentiation that people are trying to make, and one that s-e should accommodate. It wouldn't be difficult to have the duty finder check all of your current unlocked raids and base the Ilvl requirement on that. In my case I have crystal tower, dun scaith, and ivalice available, so instead of checking to see that my job is lvl 90 warrior, it should enforce a gear requirement up to the Ilvl of ivalice, which is one that I exceed. I shouldn't be compared against aglaia when my MSQ progress doesn't allow me to enter it.

[DaichiSilurus]

So... you're upset that you can't cheese it anymore where you are guaranteed CT? The exact thing that pissed a lot of other people off because we were forced to do it because you wanted to cheese it?

I don't feel sorry for you in the slightest. If you are level 90, you should be entering the roulette with level 90 gear. Period. Cry more.

It's not "harmless fun" to force people who don't want to do CT to do CT every single day for their Alliance Roulette because you only feel like doing CT. It made people not want to do Alliance Roulette at all, because they knew that there was a 90 percent chance of getting CT due to cheesers or people who forgot to swap gear. It's not "harmless fun" to ruin the experience of other people because you feel like being lazy.

Again, if you want to do CT and only CT, just queue up for CT and don't do the Alliance Roulette (hell it's less rewarding now to do CT anyway so you'd be better of just doing CT without the roulette). But if you're level 90 with level 90 gear you should be willing to help other people do the other raids in the ADR.

You are misunderstanding their situation, and entirely misrepresenting what I was referring to when I said "harmless fun".

They are not FAR ENOUGH IN THE STORY to unlock the other raids. They cannot queue for a roulette of their currently available content without acquiring gear from multiple expansions ahead of their MSQ progress. That's not cheesing. They aren't deliberately trying to avoid unlocking or queuing into anything. They physically cannot do higher level raids without completing multiple expansions worth of story. They just want to play the game at their own pace and will unlock the other raids when they reach them.

You're now advocating for disabling roulettes for anyone who hasn't met an entirely arbitrary threshold of advancing fast enough through the story.

Christ, this solution doesn't even stop a character that's level 90 and has finished the MSQ from just choosing to not unlock the raids! They're punished far less than someone who's just outlevelled the MSQ! Go after them and advocate making the raids mandatory to progress MSQ instead if you want to be this annoyed about literally anyone existing that can't queue into level 90 raids.

When you really get down to it roulettes don't actually exist to give endgame players rewards. They exist to ensure that all content at all levels and all amounts of story progress has a healthy amount of players, the rewards exist to incentivise endgame players to sometimes end up in lower level content. Deliberately reducing your ilvl to restrict the content that can pop in a roulette is bad, that behaviour needed to be prevented, but the roulettes literally exist to make sure that players who are still at an earlier point in the story get people to play with.


EDIT: I also just noticed you say "if you want CT just queue for CT" and, like... You do realise that's also just going to put people from alliance roulette into CT, right? How is that any better? I don't understand the thought process at all.