Alliance Raid Now iLvl Locked, Why??

[Asako]

My issue is they still havent hit the route of the problem. The Ilvl for the raids are set too high so while this is nice getting different 24man more often [which welcome to the Nier era as that's all you will get now] you still absolutely smash the content.

I was excited to see the Ilvl sync for the EW last trial and was thinking here we go, he's gonna sync all major bosses and content so it's relevant for new players...but no. Absolutely shocking that they have went another year without fixing this glaring issue.

[DaichiSilurus]

If a new player chooses not to use the resources at their disposal to gain the item level required to queue for the roulette, then you're right. I don't feel bad about it. I literally put out there that you can use the market board to meet the new item level requirement. Or can do like I've done for friends in the past and just when to the level 61/71/81 vendor and buy gear for them and give it to them.

New players are more resourceful than you think. They don't need you on here white knighting for them.

Of course, a free trial player who hits level 70 too early to have access to Stormblood vendors will simply go and buy gear off the marketboard! Or trade their friend for it!

I should have realised they'd be resourceful enough to do something that literally isn't possible.

[wereotter]

Of course, a free trial player who hits level 70 too early to have access to Stormblood vendors will simply go and buy gear off the marketboard! Or trade their friend for it!

I should have realised they'd be resourceful enough to do something that literally isn't possible.

Free trial is, by design, there to incentivize people to buy the full game. Or are you also going to complain that people on free trials can't form parties with other players (they can join, but not form) they also can't hold more than a certain amount of gil. If this one raid is the major driver of them playing the game, then you're just proving the point of the free trial, which is to get them to buy the game and bring in revenue. I also have no problem with free trial players also being, again, temporarily locked out of one roulette.

[Darkobra]

Of course, a free trial player who hits level 70 too early to have access to Stormblood vendors will simply go and buy gear off the marketboard! Or trade their friend for it!

I should have realised they'd be resourceful enough to do something that literally isn't possible.

So you're telling me people who pay for the game have access to more of the game than people who don't pay? Like the end-goal of the trial is to get you to part with money? So obviously this is your first MMO because I don't think you realise just how forgiving the FF14 free trial is. Base game, expansions, constantly updated, play as long as you want, still allowed to use the chat... You know most free trials give you a 24 hour play time and you get like a handful of quests?

Also, wereotter said new player. Not free trial player. I mean, if you want to move goal posts, at least be good at it.

[Remolia]

My issue is they still havent hit the route of the problem. The Ilvl for the raids are set too high so while this is nice getting different 24man more often [which welcome to the Nier era as that's all you will get now] you still absolutely smash the content.

I was excited to see the Ilvl sync for the EW last trial and was thinking here we go, he's gonna sync all major bosses and content so it's relevant for new players...but no. Absolutely shocking that they have went another year without fixing this glaring issue.

ye, I think u can even fix the the CT raid with more aggressive ilvl sync.

[DaichiSilurus]

Or are you also going to complain that people on free trials can't form parties with other players (they can join, but not form) they also can't hold more than a certain amount of gil.

These are all stated and deliberate limitations of the free trial. They have always been limitations of the free trial since it was expanded into its current form.

Being locked out of this roulette because you did the story too slowly is NOT an intended limitation of the trial. That's not why the ilvl sync was introduced. It's an accidental consequence of a badly designed fix, and a number of other people are also victims of it - new players with road to 80, players who just like to take the story slowly or do it on a certain schedule, completionists about side content. The free trial is just the most obviously egregious example of it because the workarounds people keep suggesting are not valid in their case.

Do you think the developers looked at people outlevelling the story and went "we need to inconvenience these people if they run alliance raid roulette!"? That obviously wasn't the target of this change, so don't act like it was designed to drive revenue, especially since it happened at the same time as they added an entire expansion to the free trial. It was a mistake that is hurting an innocent section of the userbase and it's one that should be fixed by adjusting the way the ilvl requirement is enforced.

[PyurBlue]

ye, I think u can even fix the the CT raid with more aggressive ilvl sync.

I don't know. Level 50 has become so basic, that I'm not sure if it can be engaging anymore. Maybe for really new players, but I find there is only so much fun to be had when you have literally 1 button on a slow GCD to press for the majority of content. The current level 50 rotations could be moved down to level 1 it would barely raise the game's barrier to entry.

[wereotter]

These are all stated and deliberate limitations of the free trial. They have always been limitations of the free trial since it was expanded into its current form.

Being locked out of this roulette because you did the story too slowly is NOT an intended limitation of the trial. That's not why the ilvl sync was introduced. It's an accidental consequence of a badly designed fix, and a number of other people are also victims of it - new players with road to 80, players who just like to take the story slowly or do it on a certain schedule, completionists about side content. The free trial is just the most obviously egregious example of it because the workarounds people keep suggesting are not valid in their case.

Do you think the developers looked at people outlevelling the story and went "we need to inconvenience these people if they run alliance raid roulette!"? That obviously wasn't the target of this change, so don't act like it was designed to drive revenue, especially since it happened at the same time as they added an entire expansion to the free trial. It was a mistake that is hurting an innocent section of the userbase and it's one that should be fixed by adjusting the way the ilvl requirement is enforced.

The devs only need to, and really should, care about the people actually paying for the game. The free trial should be a carrot that makes you want to purchase and subscribe to the game, but they have no need to deal with a very small subsection of players being, and I can't emphasize this enough, temporarily unable to engage with one piece of content. In fact, the devs may view this as either entirely intentional because it is something that encourages people to make the purchase, or a fortunate side effect because of how it works out. The impacted players haven't lost entire access to the roulette, they lost access to it for a period of time. And the only people who really lose it where they can do nothing about it are people on free trials. New, paying players can resolve this quite easily.

[Erzaa]

I literally put out there that you can use the market board to meet the new item level requirement. Or can do like I've done for friends in the past and just when to the level 61/71/81 vendor and buy gear for them and give it to them.

Not a solution, a workaround. The solution is to update the fix, so innocent players aren't punished for something they didn't cause in the first place.

New players are more resourceful than you think. They don't need you on here white knighting for them.

I'm not white knighting, I have a bone to pick in this fight because it also impacts me. You, on the other hand, seem to be intentionally obtuse on an issue that clearly doesn't impact you.

How does SE adding additional checks to unlock the roulette for everyone impacted, while maintaining the fix hurt you in any way? Or anyone else who seems intent to argue against it?

[wereotter]

Not a solution, a workaround. The solution is to update the fix, so innocent players aren't punished for something they didn't cause in the first place.



I'm not white knighting, I have a bone to pick in this fight because it also impacts me. You, on the other hand, seem to be intentionally obtuse on an issue that clearly doesn't impact you.

How does SE adding additional checks to unlock the roulette for everyone impacted, while maintaining the fix hurt you in any way? Or anyone else who seems intent to argue against it?

You're level 90. You're not on a free trial. You have options to solving the problem for minimum item level required of your own accord. If you choose not to take advantage of those solutions, then that's on you. This isn't any different from every major patch losing access to expert roulette and the minimum item level required to queue in being raised. You adjust and get the gear you need to run the content you want to run, or you don't run it. It's that simple.

You have every right to be upset if you want to be, but you're in the minority of players being negatively impacted here while the rest of the player base has been impacted by people cheesing item level for a decade now, and Square finally said "enough"

I'm not sure what more you want that wouldn't just cause the same problem to pop back up or would, in all likelihood, be impossible to implement with the game's existing code.