Why telling people to unsub is a horrible defense of the game.

[Reap00]

I don't agree. If you are unhappy move on. Spending your time playing a game you don't enjoy is idiocy. So yes the sane person will unsub and it is ok to do so.

[Ivtrix]

I don't agree. If you are unhappy move on. Spending your time playing a game you don't enjoy is idiocy. So yes the sane person will unsub and it is ok to do so.

I disagree. Players know what they want and vehemently dislike when the game changes away from its perceived identity.

There’s a reason why old school RuneScape and classic wow are both wildly more popular than their retail versions.

[Saraide]

I disagree. Players know what they want and vehemently dislike when the game changes away from its perceived identity.

There’s a reason why old school RuneScape and classic wow are both wildly more popular than their retail versions.

So when can we expect the FF14 2.0 servers to come back?

[Ivtrix]

So when can we expect the FF14 2.0 servers to come back?

NIGHTMARE

This is the one game that I hope stays the exception to the rule. I feel it would need iterations like OSRS where it just developed down a different path cause I ain’t playing with TP again

[NekoMataMata]

I disagree. Players know what they want and vehemently dislike when the game changes away from its perceived identity.

The issue is that at some point it becomes an echo room full of toxicity. Massive corporations like SE have no reason to listen to you until you find some leverage.

This is also why I tell people to encourage the process and encourage them to become as greedy as possible. If you don't have the numbers to quit together and force change then simply guide the game down the path of becoming as unplayable and unenjoyable as possible so that eventually you do.

At some point you've got to realize that you're having the same old discussion over and over again. Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly while expecting different results. If you want change you're going to have to work for it.

[aveyond-dreams]

I disagree. Players know what they want and vehemently dislike when the game changes away from its perceived identity.

There’s a reason why old school RuneScape and classic wow are both wildly more popular than their retail versions.

This. For many of us who have lived through all of FFXIV's expansions Endwalker just feels completely unrecognizable. I've never seen content be this dead on arrival nor has every job felt this boring to play. It doesn't feel like there's an mmo here at all. Just an rpg that threw away its story at the last minute and now wants people to tolerate 3 years worth of a beach episode expansion that may or may not go anywhere.

[ZephyrMenodora]

This. For many of us who have lived through all of FFXIV's expansions Endwalker just feels completely unrecognizable. I've never seen content be this dead on arrival nor has every job felt this boring to play. It doesn't feel like there's an mmo here at all. Just an rpg that threw away its story at the last minute and now wants people to tolerate 3 years worth of a beach episode expansion that may or may not go anywhere.

Well, that's because they put most of their effort into solo content to chase non-MMO players with things like making sure there are trusts for the entire game, and Island Sanctuary 90% of the playerbase seems to have little to no interest in.

My friend said he wouldn't play FFXIV because he heart there was forced grouping - I told him there wasn't anymore for the story and he still hasn't bothered with the game. He's just playing single player RPGs that are actually better RPGs than FFXIV. Wondering how many people this attracted vs. pushed away with the lack of interesting content for MMO players.

[Ivtrix]

Well, that's because they put most of their effort into solo content to chase non-MMO players with things like making sure there are trusts for the entire game, and Island Sanctuary 90% of the playerbase seems to have little to no interest in.

My friend said he wouldn't play FFXIV because he heart there was forced grouping - I told him there wasn't anymore for the story and he still hasn't bothered with the game. He's just playing single player RPGs that are actually better RPGs than FFXIV. Wondering how many people this attracted vs. pushed away with the lack of interesting content for MMO players.

When you spread the net too wide the fish swim right through

[Jojoya]

When you spread the net too wide the fish swim right through

Don't think there's a gaming net in the world too big to catch whales, though. Even when populations drop, the whales keep a game going.

To me it seems like they've literally just been systematically removing anything related to JRPG games from this title and did the same to FF16 as well. If FF14 is still going another 10 years from now in the direction they've been going it will end up being online fantasy sims where you can sometimes go outside your house or town to hit monsters with your weapon...

No king lives forever and 10 years is a very long time in gaming terms. How many games were you playing 10 years ago that you're still playing today?

[RitsukoSonoda]

Don't think there's a gaming net in the world too big to catch whales, though. Even when populations drop, the whales keep a game going.




No king lives forever and 10 years is a very long time in gaming terms. How many games were you playing 10 years ago that you're still playing today?

Whales? Are we predicting the game will go the route of mobile gatcha game?

Some food for thought. FFXI is 21 years old and still around, though essentially in "maintenance mode". There are MMORPGs out there still running that were running before it launched.

However the majority of the playerbase Yoshi-P want's to target with this game is not likely to stick around long term. He's essentially been trying to re-tune a genre based around longevity of content to appeal to players that want to 100% the game in 20 hours and get all their trophies/achievements/gamerscore then go hit the next shiny thing that gains popularity.