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    TaleraRistain's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zairava View Post
    I'd be okay with revisiting an ARR route, even Heavensward.
    Heavensward is my favorite relic quest series. The crystal sand step is a particular favorite because of the different types of options that were available. I did also enjoy the book concept in ARR, if not the implementation. One of my main complaints with Eureka and Bozja was a lack of options. And while tomestones do satisfy this, the fact they're not a currency that's unique just to the relics makes the effort feel less important. I don't really feel like I earned a Manderville and that's what I like most about doing the relic quests.
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    Which is exactly my point. They do not future-proof such things on the long run, and suddenly players need to perform mandatory extra jumps through hoops since it is in conflict with the Main Story.
    So what would the solution be here? Force completion of all side stories from the beginning?

    I have no objection to how they handled it. They made it mandatory and the only people who had to backtrack were those who previously skipped it. Players who did side content at the time had no extra demand placed on them; new players now do the quest while it is current content for their personal progress through the game.
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    Mirn Armaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    So what would the solution be here? Force completion of all side stories from the beginning?

    I have no objection to how they handled it. They made it mandatory and the only people who had to backtrack were those who previously skipped it. Players who did side content at the time had no extra demand placed on them; new players now do the quest while it is current content for their personal progress through the game.
    Should've worked it around straight from the start and maybe the CT alliance raids wouldn't have been made mandatory.
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    Ritsuko Sonoda
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Heavensward is my favorite relic quest series. The crystal sand step is a particular favorite because of the different types of options that were available. I did also enjoy the book concept in ARR, if not the implementation. One of my main complaints with Eureka and Bozja was a lack of options. And while tomestones do satisfy this, the fact they're not a currency that's unique just to the relics makes the effort feel less important. I don't really feel like I earned a Manderville and that's what I like most about doing the relic quests.
    IMO the issues with previous relics wasn't the quests or tasks themselves but how wonky they were with item quantity requirements as you'd have it essentially bouncing around nonsensically between any mix of small quantity, large quantity, easy/high drop rate, difficult/low drop rate. This essentially caused specific steps to end up as bottlenecks or heavy stall points. Even back in ARR we had similar issues such as some of the books in the books step originally using fates that would hardly ever spawn or an enemy type that the map only had 1-3 spawns on total.
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    IMO the issues with previous relics wasn't the quests or tasks themselves but how wonky they were with item quantity requirements as you'd have it essentially bouncing around nonsensically between any mix of small quantity, large quantity, easy/high drop rate, difficult/low drop rate. This essentially caused specific steps to end up as bottlenecks or heavy stall points. Even back in ARR we had similar issues such as some of the books in the books step originally using fates that would hardly ever spawn or an enemy type that the map only had 1-3 spawns on total.
    That timeworn step XD
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