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    ASkellington's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaliesto View Post
    I think the relics would have worked better for everyone if each Relic had a story quest behind it with its own boss to defeat.

    I don't know how else you can please this relic crowd.
    Easy, don't make a relic system that I can complete day one with a backlog of tomestones I already have. That's the whole problem with the relic. Not that we have options to gain X (in this case tomestones) but because of what X is (tomestones) something we get naturally and more importantly something we usually have an abundance of from a previous patch.
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    I'm tired of being told to wait for post-patches and expansions for fixes and increased healing requirements that are never coming. Healers are not fun in all forms of content like all jobs should be, they're replaced by tanks and dps due to low healing requirements and their dps kit is small for 0 reason, when in the past we had more options and handled things just fine. I refuse to play healer in roulette come DT. I refuse to heal EXs, I refuse to go into Savage, and I am boycotting Ultimate.

    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Saraide Derosa
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    Disappointing. What is the problem of having fewer people making a relic? It should be something you are proud of, not some welfare check you receive. Should we also give Savage weapons to everyone now for 1000 tomes? Or let everyone get <The Necromancer> by doing PotD 51-60 5 times? While getting a relic does not take combat skill, it does take effort, and effort is apparently not something that SE wants to reward nowadays.

    "Want a system that makes it easy to obtain weapons". That is called tomestone weapons, which are higher ilvl than relics until the last patch of the expansion.

    And it means that there isn't much hope for 7.x's relic series to be better, since they are adamant about their position being correct.
    Be proud of what? That I slogged through the boring grind? A grind that takes literally no skill and only time? That's what relics are: boring content. I will take less boring content over more boring content any day of the week. The comparison to savage and necromancer is laughable as is the "just get a tome weapon" bit. Why do you hate so much how relic weapons look?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Ritsuko Sonoda
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Be proud of what? That I slogged through the boring grind? A grind that takes literally no skill and only time? That's what relics are: boring content. I will take less boring content over more boring content any day of the week. The comparison to savage and necromancer is laughable as is the "just get a tome weapon" bit. Why do you hate so much how relic weapons look?
    There was nothing forcing you to do the grind but yourself. All the previous relic quests were optional side content so if you didn't want to do it then you could skip it and do something else. This relic process using outdated tomestones basically just took content away from people that enjoyed it while giving nothing back in return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    There was nothing forcing you to do the grind but yourself. All the previous relic quests were optional side content so if you didn't want to do it then you could skip it and do something else. This relic process using outdated tomestones basically just took content away from people that enjoyed it while giving nothing back in return.
    No it didnt, if you want a checklist to tick off from I literally have one ready. Since you very clearly dont care about how the relics look unlike me there will be no difference for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Grimahed Darkovin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    No it didnt, if you want a checklist to tick off from I literally have one ready. Since you very clearly dont care about how the relics look unlike me there will be no difference for you.
    You just care about how they look, and given you find the acquisition method okay for you, you'll go for it. We want the acquisition method to require effort, whether it's a field zone or a refined ARR method or otherwise. I want them to look good, but if they do look good it's mostly an added bonus for me.

    It's two entirely separate preferences and we will continue to sit here going in circles. Proving YoshiP right when he said it's hard to appeal to both.
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    Last edited by Zairava; 09-20-2023 at 04:36 PM. Reason: wording

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zairava View Post
    You just care about how they look, and given you find the acquisition method okay for you, you'll go for it. We want the acquisition method to require effort, whether it's a field zone or a refined ARR method or otherwise. I want them to look good, but if they do look good it's mostly an added bonus for me.

    It's two entirely separate preferences and we will continue to sit here going in circles. Proving YoshiP right when he said it's hard to appeal to both.
    So you just want something to do. This is a problem I have with you MMO players: if you found the gameplay fun you would already be playing it instead of complaining on the forum. Instead you want the game to tell you what to do because you dont know on your own what you find fun to do. But if it's a checklist you want someone to make for you, literally anyone could make one unless you specifically care about having an achievement to show off with (in which case I have no solution for you other than to tell you to go find something better to brag with). This is why the endwalker relic solution is better, it serves us who care for the looks and anyone else can just have a random forum poster give them a checklist and there will be no functional difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    I don't see the point in tying every relic step to a tomestone grind. You can already acquire a weapon from the tomestone vendors so the only difference is locking it behind a few quests and a greater number of tomestones.

    It's worrying that Yoshi-P seems to downplay that a lot of players actually liked jumping into Eureka and Bozja for the sake of working not only on a relic weapon but securing other rewards along the way. Some of the items available in Eureka in particular still sell for a decent amount of gil as well.

    I used to chip away at relic weapons in Eureka and Bozja with my partner every few evenings. It served as a goal we could both work towards. We've long since grown tired of doing roulettes for tomestones - if you're a veteran player then you've already likely completed the majority of dungeons in the game many times already.
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    Mirn Armaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I don't see the point in tying every relic step to a tomestone grind. You can already acquire a weapon from the tomestone vendors so the only difference is locking it behind a few quests and a greater number of tomestones.

    It's worrying that Yoshi-P seems to downplay that a lot of players actually liked jumping into Eureka and Bozja for the sake of working not only on a relic weapon but securing other rewards along the way. Some of the items available in Eureka in particular still sell for a decent amount of gil as well.

    I used to chip away at relic weapons in Eureka and Bozja with my partner every few evenings. It served as a goal we could both work towards. We've long since grown tired of doing roulettes for tomestones - if you're a veteran player then you've already likely completed the majority of dungeons in the game many times already.
    I think to believe they are worried by adding another Eureka/Bozja that future players, or those who tackle the relic after Dawntrail arrived, have a hard time getting their relics even more once the 'mainstream' moved on. We already get frequent complaints about those zones regarding their activity, bots and that there aren't enough for Delubrum.
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    Player Theodric's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    I think to believe they are worried by adding another Eureka/Bozja that future players, or those who tackle the relic after Dawntrail arrived, have a hard time getting their relics even more once the 'mainstream' moved on. We already get frequent complaints about those zones regarding their activity, bots and that there aren't enough for Delubrum.
    Yeah but that's very easily solved by simply future proofing the content by planning ahead. Adding the required duties to the regular duty finder would be a good start. As would slowly adding fresh rewards to the Bozja vendors over time to encourage veteran players to go back and acquire them.
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    Mirn Armaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    Yeah but that's very easily solved by simply future proofing the content by planning ahead. Adding the required duties to the regular duty finder would be a good start. As would slowly adding fresh rewards to the Bozja vendors over time to encourage veteran players to go back and acquire them.
    You know they aren't good in that, and they are forced to adjust some of the other older content out of sheer gaps in logic at times, i.e. making Crystal Tower mandatory during Shadowbringer.
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