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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Yeah that's my conflict on the subject, too. I love the relics. They were my favorite content in ARR and especially HW. But part of the draw was that you had specific things to do to accomplish them.

    Maybe they could consider offering relics for tomes after the first one is completed through a variety of specific steps. And not that we completionists need a carrot, but maybe you only get the achievement if you do it through the grind route. That way those who want the glam can get the glam with tomes and others can go the route with more involved steps and get rewarded for their effort.
    I'd be okay with revisiting an ARR route, even Heavensward.

    I'd also be okay if we had to do at least one through specific steps too, then it was made easier after.

    Let's say for example that for the aether crystals for the anima, you did it once but afterwards you can get one of each for X amount of tomes, depending on if they use poetics or the prior tome currency.

    Same thing with the memories in Bozja, instead of having to collect 20 of each every time, you could get them through the cluster exchange after completion. That way you could still interact with the environment and progress with other relics at the same time. (alternatively it could be relegated to poetics as well, for those not wanting to join cluster farms.)
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    Last edited by Zairava; 09-20-2023 at 05:09 PM. Reason: added another thought at the end. reread edits, the usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zairava View Post
    I'd be okay with revisiting an ARR route, even Heavensward.
    Heavensward is my favorite relic quest series. The crystal sand step is a particular favorite because of the different types of options that were available. I did also enjoy the book concept in ARR, if not the implementation. One of my main complaints with Eureka and Bozja was a lack of options. And while tomestones do satisfy this, the fact they're not a currency that's unique just to the relics makes the effort feel less important. I don't really feel like I earned a Manderville and that's what I like most about doing the relic quests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrius View Post
    Which is exactly my point. They do not future-proof such things on the long run, and suddenly players need to perform mandatory extra jumps through hoops since it is in conflict with the Main Story.
    So what would the solution be here? Force completion of all side stories from the beginning?

    I have no objection to how they handled it. They made it mandatory and the only people who had to backtrack were those who previously skipped it. Players who did side content at the time had no extra demand placed on them; new players now do the quest while it is current content for their personal progress through the game.
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    Mirn Armaya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    So what would the solution be here? Force completion of all side stories from the beginning?

    I have no objection to how they handled it. They made it mandatory and the only people who had to backtrack were those who previously skipped it. Players who did side content at the time had no extra demand placed on them; new players now do the quest while it is current content for their personal progress through the game.
    Should've worked it around straight from the start and maybe the CT alliance raids wouldn't have been made mandatory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Heavensward is my favorite relic quest series. The crystal sand step is a particular favorite because of the different types of options that were available. I did also enjoy the book concept in ARR, if not the implementation. One of my main complaints with Eureka and Bozja was a lack of options. And while tomestones do satisfy this, the fact they're not a currency that's unique just to the relics makes the effort feel less important. I don't really feel like I earned a Manderville and that's what I like most about doing the relic quests.
    IMO the issues with previous relics wasn't the quests or tasks themselves but how wonky they were with item quantity requirements as you'd have it essentially bouncing around nonsensically between any mix of small quantity, large quantity, easy/high drop rate, difficult/low drop rate. This essentially caused specific steps to end up as bottlenecks or heavy stall points. Even back in ARR we had similar issues such as some of the books in the books step originally using fates that would hardly ever spawn or an enemy type that the map only had 1-3 spawns on total.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    IMO the issues with previous relics wasn't the quests or tasks themselves but how wonky they were with item quantity requirements as you'd have it essentially bouncing around nonsensically between any mix of small quantity, large quantity, easy/high drop rate, difficult/low drop rate. This essentially caused specific steps to end up as bottlenecks or heavy stall points. Even back in ARR we had similar issues such as some of the books in the books step originally using fates that would hardly ever spawn or an enemy type that the map only had 1-3 spawns on total.
    That timeworn step XD
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