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    SweetPete's Avatar
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    Princess- Princess
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    Coeurl
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    Alchemist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by VentVanitas View Post
    why is this a challenge for them? this is a problem they already solved before EW even dropped. tomestone weapons are right there, make them easier to obtain more frequently if you must- but leaving literally nothing for people who liked grinding relics isn't a solution.
    I actually enjoy the tomestone weapons. I don’t like grinding much so this relic tier was perfect for me. Someone who doesn’t have time to grind for hours and hours daily especially when you play multiple jobs.

    I do agree with you though about leaving people who like the grind with nothing. I hope they can find a middle ground to satisfy both sides.
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    Player NekoMataMata's Avatar
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    Feline Good
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    I actually enjoy the tomestone weapons. I don’t like grinding much so this relic tier was perfect for me. Someone who doesn’t have time to grind for hours and hours daily especially when you play multiple jobs.

    I do agree with you though about leaving people who like the grind with nothing. I hope they can find a middle ground to satisfy both sides.
    If you don't enjoy grinding then the relics weren't made for you. I don't understand why this is so difficult for people to acknowledge. Different pieces of content has different audiences, and that's perfectly fine.

    Relics had a consistent audience for 4 expansions in a row, so obviously people are going to be upset when SE decides to change the content to a system that the general population can enjoy despite it traditionally being given to one audience that enjoys grinding. This was a betrayal.

    This isn't to say that more casual groups don't deserve content. This is just stating that the content that was provided to you was essentially stolen from a different audience, rather than SE creating content for both.
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    Last edited by NekoMataMata; 09-21-2023 at 02:15 AM.

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    Lyreth Nikos
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    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I will simply give you a checklist I made:
    Whew, that definitely is a list. A majority of those things are just on there to be on there and nice time gated content just to make sure you stick it to the people who say there's nothing to do in the game!!

    Anyway back to the OP:

    "Extra content" is probably just going to be Make it Rain, more moogle tomes etc etc but I guess I can huff a bit of copium and hope it's something fun or engaging.

    Something something yoship already said something was gonna be hard and it was royally overestimated. 24mans have been a joke on patch, I'll give the team a clap for their first 2 arena designs in Aglaia but everything else has been... circles... oh wait, Halone was a square.

    Whoo nice criterion rewards increase will now give 5 tokens instead of 4!! Or whatever, I actually stopped trying to prog the fights because effort >>>> rewards.

    Oh boy, if they make final MSQ trial a trust one, I guess 14 is just a single player game. They might as well implement the mod that removes other players on your screen, no need to see or play with anyone else in my single player mmo.

    Relic... no comment.

    IS... lmao.
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Cyanamists View Post
    Whew, that definitely is a list. A majority of those things are just on there to be on there and nice time gated content just to make sure you stick it to the people who say there's nothing to do in the game!!
    Wdym time gated? The checklist I made is closely inspired by previous relic installations, I expanded in a few areas like including a tiny bit of tribal quests, custom deliveries and giving the option to complete harder content as alternative route for some steps. Theoretically you could complete a relic in a single day. It would be impractical though, I am aware of that but it's also not meant to be completed in a single day anyway. That's the point, isnt it?
    If you have suggestions to improve (what kind of activity you think should be included or excluded for example) it I would welcome you to post them. This checklist is not me trying to dunk on people, I'm being fully serious here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    One way of solving the relic situation is to tie the first one you choose to the story and you get it after completion. But once you go for more you now have to do a grind. I think that's reasonable.
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    read it wrong

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    Payadopa Astraya
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    I got to be honest, I don't understand their dungeon design philosophy. It's a game. A game has fail states. What's the point of playing a game if you cannot loose?

    A new player doesn't equal stupid. And even if that were the case, by level 60 you should have a rough idea of what you're supposed to be doing. Why are new dungeons also being treated as tutorials?
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    Cordelia Emery
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    That timeworn step XD
    That timeworn step killed my enthusiasm with DR. Its such a fun raid but forcing you to run it 8 flippin times for just ONE RELIC with varied PFs that can take over an hour if they dont have effecieny actions is terrible grind design.

    I will never understand how people can praise this step, I believe this was just overkill. Shouldve just been 2 or maybe even 3 runs not 8.
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    Thalia Beckford
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    Jenova
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    That timeworn step killed my enthusiasm with DR. Its such a fun raid but forcing you to run it 8 flippin times for just ONE RELIC with varied PFs that can take over an hour if they dont have effecieny actions is terrible grind design.

    I will never understand how people can praise this step, I believe this was just overkill. Shouldve just been 2 or maybe even 3 runs not 8.
    Even worse if you don't want to do DR because you don't want to waste time farming those essences. PotD should also be a guaranteed drop though really they needed to put in a dungeon option like the raw emotions. Only 2 incredibly bad options is ridiculous. I'd take the ARR book step over this step.
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    Byron Blackfyre
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    Kujata
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I am glad that they are considering adjusting the reward track for criterion. that's a step in the right direction.
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