My concerns about a "worldless model" what are yours?

[Starlord]

To reply to my own post. I remember a long time ago in xi I had an exp party. Back then, you had a tank, healer, rdm blm and usually 2 random DD. Our tank, a nin , wasn't doing so great. He was trying, he had bad gear, he was asking for help in the party. A member of my group laughed, called him a nub, and said lets kick him and find a good player. The party leader kicked him. I also left the party, telling them all how rude I thought they were, and adding them to my blist so I hope never to party with them again.

I personally believe you would see more behavior like this in DF, and less people standing up to it.

Which in over time, half the people won't use it as much any more considering the Behavior of some people.

[Kiote]

Love it, happy to see they are adding it. It is a feature especially convenient to those who have little time and it isn't forced on anyone. I hope they add a feature where you can form groups with friends from other servers, too.

It is forced on everyone.

[Starlord]

It is forced on everyone.

No its not, Refer to long post here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ts-the-problem

[Aldwin]

For some of you who haven't experience dungeon finder or raid finder (again, the wow version), I really should take some screenshots of some of the things said. Especially in raid finder. Many times i've seen someone like, a tank, probably his first time doing the dungeon, and not knowing exactly what to do on a boss. Make a mistake, sometimes even small. Raidfinder Spine fight. Tank doesn't move the mob to collect bloods. Instead of people saying "hey, you need to collect bloods and when he reaches 9 stacks, move him up to the spine". Instead you see things like "omfg this dumbshit tank , i bet your mom is a whore, dumbass nub". Anyone can say things like this, even server built groups. But I believe people will say/do things when they have no relationship towards other people, that they normally wouldn't say/do. You wouldn't tell a new tank in your ls something like that (if you did, it would be clear you were joking i'm sure).

[Cendres]

IMO SE's job is to make it easier to find groups and it is your job to build relationships. Don't blame SE because you dont want to put forth the effort to make friends.

I love this quote THIS much! XD Take responsibility for your own community don't blame it on mechanics. And for some reason I find the nay sayers more anti social then those for this, they seem to have less tolerance for people who do not play or think as they do, who make make mistakes or have attitude... Personally that's all part of the experience.

As for killing off making friends I've never seen random lugging do this, it's all about your own attitude and approach. Set the example and take the initiate if you don't like how your groups are going.

[Jinko]

-For Exp, the only way to get Via Content finder is through dungeon content ( which we all know is pointless, but hey some people will use it for that as well, but its not the most Optimal way of getting exp.)

I don't agree with this at all, it really depends on how SE plan for this.

If they push it as the main way of XPing in 2.0, they could add level sync and level caps for instances, being able to sign up to a fast XP party would be much better IMO than what we have right now.

For example doing Toto-rak for XP whilst farming items to either use or give in for seal is killing a lot of birds with 1 stone. (obviously they need to remove the crappy timer so that people can take their time and XP the whole dungeon)

I am hoping they will make specific dungeon content for XPing similar to MMM in FF11.

[Starlord]

I don't agree with this at all, it really depends on how SE plan for this.

If they push it as the main way of XPing in 2.0, they could add level sync and level caps for instances, being able to sign up a fast XP party would be much better IMO than what we have right now.

For example doing Tot-rak for XP whilst farming items to either use or give it for seal is killing a lot of birds with 1 stone.

Dungeons aren't the most optimal way of Exping, its "good" yes, but it will take you forever to level up that way, and leveling up around the World is a lot more pleasurable for most people, then staying isolated in 1 area being bored in 1 area just hack and slashing. Especially, when the exp rate will be Dumbed down by alot

[ThePatriarch]

Im going to laugh when this content finder is the equivalent to Auto-Party in FFXI.

[Jinko]

Dungeons aren't the most optimal way of Exping, its "good" yes, but it will take you forever to level up that way, and leveling up around the World is a lot more pleasurable for most people, then staying isolated in 1 area being bored in 1 area just hack and slashing. Especially, when the exp rate will be Dumbed down by alot

How do you know this, have you XP'd in a dungeon whilst all at the same level before, what makes dungeon XP any different ?, they are basically the same monsters, XP is based on level after all.

Like I say SE could very well make dungeons with the purpose of Xping and I would support it fully, if they release new classes of course :P

I see no difference hacking and slashing in a dungeon (which could be randomly generated as I said, including monster), or going to the same camp for X amount of levels to grind on the same mobs.

Do you know what MMM is btw ?

Im going to laugh when this content finder is the equivalent to Auto-Party in FFXI.

I will probably laugh as well as I uninstall the game and unsubscribe

[Rokien]

Which in over time, half the people won't use it as much any more considering the Behavior of some people.

IF people are not going to use it(like the goobuu) why put it in there in the first place -.-