My concerns about a "worldless model" what are yours?

[Starlord]

I don't agree with this at all, it really depends on how SE plan for this.

If they push it as the main way of XPing in 2.0, they could add level sync and level caps for instances, being able to sign up a fast XP party would be much better IMO than what we have right now.

For example doing Tot-rak for XP whilst farming items to either use or give it for seal is killing a lot of birds with 1 stone.

Dungeons aren't the most optimal way of Exping, its "good" yes, but it will take you forever to level up that way, and leveling up around the World is a lot more pleasurable for most people, then staying isolated in 1 area being bored in 1 area just hack and slashing. Especially, when the exp rate will be Dumbed down by alot

[Jinko]

Dungeons aren't the most optimal way of Exping, its "good" yes, but it will take you forever to level up that way, and leveling up around the World is a lot more pleasurable for most people, then staying isolated in 1 area being bored in 1 area just hack and slashing. Especially, when the exp rate will be Dumbed down by alot

How do you know this, have you XP'd in a dungeon whilst all at the same level before, what makes dungeon XP any different ?, they are basically the same monsters, XP is based on level after all.

Like I say SE could very well make dungeons with the purpose of Xping and I would support it fully, if they release new classes of course :P

I see no difference hacking and slashing in a dungeon (which could be randomly generated as I said, including monster), or going to the same camp for X amount of levels to grind on the same mobs.

Do you know what MMM is btw ?

Im going to laugh when this content finder is the equivalent to Auto-Party in FFXI.

I will probably laugh as well as I uninstall the game and unsubscribe

[Krausus]

How do you know this, have you XP'd in a dungeon whilst all at the same level before, what makes dungeon XP any different ?, they are basically the same monsters, XP is based on level after all.

Like I say SE could very well make dungeons with the purpose of Xping and I would support it fully, if they release new classes of course :P

I see no difference hacking and slashing in a dungeon (which could be randomly generated as I said, including monster), or going to the same camp for X amount of levels to grind on the same mobs.

Do you know what MMM is btw ?

If you are talking about instanced dungeons it isnt the level that is the issue its the amount and the no respawn its much more efficient to xp farm at camps though im sure you know this. That could change though with content finder as they may want to promote XPing in dungeons which I find no issues with. The people that truly want to have a strong community will while those that want it but dont want to put forth any effort will continue to blame SE for it.

[Starlord]

How do you know this, have you XP'd in a dungeon whilst all at the same level before, what makes dungeon XP any different ?, they are basically the same monsters, XP is based on level after all.

Like I say SE could very well make dungeons with the purpose of Xping and I would support it fully, if they release new classes of course :P

I see no difference hacking and slashing in a dungeon (which could be randomly generated as I said, including monster), or going to the same camp for X amount of levels to grind on the same mobs.

Do you know what MMM is btw ?

1) Yes I have leveled in Dungeons and its quite slow Vs Open World leveling + no wait time after you completed Dungeon
2) Yes there is no Difference in Hack and slash in Dungeon or in Open World, however, your always contently doing something on the go Open world leveling once you have set camp
3) It doesn't seem likely they are doing this because of this: The Timer in which you have to wait till you go inside the Dungeon and B, Exp will be Dumbed down . Those two alone doesn't want me to Exping in a Dungeon
4) There is more mobs in open world then in a Dungeon in which in Open world they always repop and fast, Dungeons don't repop
5) If your party dies, you have to travel all that way to get to where you were at (without Chocobo mind you)

I have not played MMM in FFXI, but I have been in Several Dungeons to know this. Open world Dungeons are fine because Mobs will always repop. Instanced dungeons are not. It seems like all Dungeons will be Instanced.

I'm just saying things from my experience and how I see things, this doesn't validate any of this to be fact.

[CatchaFire420]

you need content to use content finder, let put the horse in front of the cart first SE.....

[ThePatriarch]

you need content to use content finder, let put the horse in front of the cart first SE.....

Bingo.

10char

[Zahak]

For me it's simple, if i join a group I don't like, then jump to a new group that works with your play style more. Don't need to fear waiting for another group since you can just auto find one again.

[Aldwin]

For some of you who haven't experience dungeon finder or raid finder (again, the wow version), I really should take some screenshots of some of the things said. Especially in raid finder. Many times i've seen someone like, a tank, probably his first time doing the dungeon, and not knowing exactly what to do on a boss. Make a mistake, sometimes even small. Raidfinder Spine fight. Tank doesn't move the mob to collect bloods. Instead of people saying "hey, you need to collect bloods and when he reaches 9 stacks, move him up to the spine". Instead you see things like "omfg this dumbshit tank , i bet your mom is a whore, dumbass nub". Anyone can say things like this, even server built groups. But I believe people will say/do things when they have no relationship towards other people, that they normally wouldn't say/do. You wouldn't tell a new tank in your ls something like that (if you did, it would be clear you were joking i'm sure).

[Cendres]

IMO SE's job is to make it easier to find groups and it is your job to build relationships. Don't blame SE because you dont want to put forth the effort to make friends.

I love this quote THIS much! XD Take responsibility for your own community don't blame it on mechanics. And for some reason I find the nay sayers more anti social then those for this, they seem to have less tolerance for people who do not play or think as they do, who make make mistakes or have attitude... Personally that's all part of the experience.

As for killing off making friends I've never seen random lugging do this, it's all about your own attitude and approach. Set the example and take the initiate if you don't like how your groups are going.

[Rokien]

I love this quote THIS much! XD Take responsibility for your own community don't blame it on mechanics. And for some reason I find the nay sayers more anti social then those for this, they seem to have less tolerance for people who do not play or think as they do, who make make mistakes or have attitude... Personally that's all part of the experience.

As for killing off making friends I've never seen random lugging do this, it's all about your own attitude and approach. Set the example and take the initiate if you don't like how your groups are going.

If anything it gives more reason NOT to talk to people.....