PL Woes

[Sephrick]

People need to understand why power leveling and the speed of leveling are the way they are in 1.x.

Yoshida has said that he wants new players in 1.x to quickly catch up to friends and to be able to enjoy one-time content. And that things will slow down in 2.0.

The "level to learn your job" is a moot point when every few months drastic changes are made that render us all "newbs" all over again.

I leveled my Conjurer to 50 prior to 1.20, but haven't really touched it since. If I were to play it now, I'd have no clue how to do it. That is, until I read the ability descriptions.

Bad players will always be bad players. All it takes to play a class/job functionally in XIV is the ability to read. If someone can't be bothered to do that, no amount of time spent grinding exp will change them.

[Nuinn]

But if people don't get PL'd, then the dumb people will not be dumb people with lvl 50 characters with AF.

Don't be silly. Of course they will, it will take them a month longer to get there

[Arcell]

But if people don't get PL'd, then the dumb people will not be dumb people with lvl 50 characters with AF.

Regardless of how they level, this would happen. Bad players are bad players no matter what. Unless they have a personal desire to learn how to play their role well they won't. PL doesn't help the issue but it by no means causes it.

[Krausus]

Excuse the fug me. Let me just get this straight.

Don't like PLing?
Douche
Don't like easy mode?
Douche
Replace someone in PT because they don't have the slightest clue what they are doing?
Douche

So unless I just happily accept how everyone does things and never call out anyone ever no matter how bad or inexperienced they may be I am the bad guy? Tell ya what, if that is the case I am a douche and proud of it. I could have blasted him Party chat and kicked him from groupthat instant. Instead I investigated discreetly. I handled his transport by taking him back to Ul'dahn with me. I didn't scream and bitch about him not telling me about his lack of experience. There wasn't a friendly way I could have handled the situation. Aside form leaving him in PT and going OH WELP I SUPPOSE UR NEW SO IF WE WIPE WATEVES.

~~~DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW FAST YOU WERE SCROLLING?~~~

Don't forget to check out the Tail Option Thread. Vote for a brighter future for all Roegadyns!

Click it!

no, coming to the forums QQing, blaming PLing (lumping any PLer in the same group), displaying the trash talk and complete arrogance of your actions all because of a random player in a pick up group of all things (a fail one at that since esuna caused you to fail) = douche

[Krausus]

my problem with is it 2 fold.
1. you are partially right. it does upset me that i took a long time grinding and learned my class while leveling up then people can do in a month what took me almost a year and a half to do.

2. the long term of the game worries me. look now at the percentage of people that have all classes to cap. yoshi is already starting to talk about limiting people from bringing up only one craft past 50 due to the pure number of people with all crafts capped. the economy is in ruins due to that same issue. there is no low level gear for the low level players that want to exp the correct way due to the speed of power leveling so nobody makes the gear anymore.

what if yoshi decides that too many people have every battle class to cap so he's going to limit that to one class as well. this game advertised being able to play every class on a single character, but due to the leveling speed increases that yoshi has put in that idea is being gone away from.

i am not a former xi player that played for years. i left the game after trying it for a very short time. i'm not asking for the horrid slow leveling from that game to make a return, but i don't want to see the abby leveling rate either at this point in the games life.

I would say there is an extremely slim to no chance that would ever happen. Its like saying you should douse your house in water encase there is a fire. Also PLing for the most part stops at level 40 and 50 is not always going to be the level cap.

[Elexia]

Excuse the fug me. Let me just get this straight.

Don't like PLing?
Douche
Don't like easy mode?
Douche
Replace someone in PT because they don't have the slightest clue what they are doing?
Douche

So unless I just happily accept how everyone does things and never call out anyone ever no matter how bad or inexperienced they may be I am the bad guy? Tell ya what, if that is the case I am a douche and proud of it. I could have blasted him Party chat and kicked him from groupthat instant. Instead I investigated discreetly. I handled his transport by taking him back to Ul'dahn with me. I didn't scream and bitch about him not telling me about his lack of experience. There wasn't a friendly way I could have handled the situation. Aside form leaving him in PT and going OH WELP I SUPPOSE UR NEW SO IF WE WIPE WATEVES.

Yeah I kinda noticed that about him, he seems to be in the generation of gamers that considers anyone who hates the easy way out of things a douche, asshole or elitist.

[Kiroh]

I've said it once and I'll say it again : if you really, truly believe that long grind creates better players you are more than welcome to remove all your armor, slap on a level 1 weapon, and take on that masochistic leveling regimen to improve yourself.

But no, because I shouldn't have to because good gear and weapons are part of the game!

(Yes, but so is pling. And yes, it's an intended part of the game right now just as much as gear.)

But making leveling a slow, tedious painful process doesn't stop bad players/idiots from reaching level cap. It may slow them down slightly by like a day or two, but the people who will end up leaving are good players who just don't want to spend 12 hours a day for 5 months grinding to hit cap on one class.

[Wincy]

But making leveling a slow, tedious painful process doesn't stop bad players/idiots from reaching level cap. It may slow them down slightly by like a day or two, but the people who will end up leaving are good players who just don't want to spend 12 hours a day for 5 months grinding to hit cap on one class.

I don't disagree with this. Although I think it's a statement that does not necessarily have to apply to powerleveling, but rather leveling speed in general.

Honestly, I don't have a strong opinion either way on this one. I don't necessarily hate PL, especially I can see the desire for 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. jobs that a person is leveling. But I also don't really like the way it works specifically in this game, at this time. The way the powerleveler drops party then kills the mobs, seems more like a faulty game mechanic than anything else.

[Krausus]

Yeah I kinda noticed that about him, he seems to be in the generation of gamers that considers anyone who hates the easy way out of things a douche, asshole or elitist.

Actually I dont, what I dont like is the constant QQ, hyperbole, and general protesting against advancement. What also really bugs the crap out of me is the false sense of competition people label certain aspects of old games and try and push onto this game such as NM claiming or the view that more time = hard. I swear some people wouldn't know what competition or hard was if it bit them on the ass

[Zezlar]

There will always be a selection of poor players, because there always is. The problem is that the pool of poor players in XIV is becoming higher due to this out of hand PL. Every single time I see a /shout for Ifrit/Moogle or god forbid Cutter's Cry. I shutter a little on the inside because I know that group is screwed.

Of course that doesn't mean everyone who PLs doesn't know their class though. I personally was forced to level BLM to run Cutter's Cry about 3 weeks ago, and i've gotten several compliments on how well I do at it. It just really depends on the player, but I do agree that for 2.0 I would like to see PLing disappear to a healing role only.