A new tactic for the dissatisfied

[RosaliaDLB]

The total playerbase, not just Steam players?

Okay, got a link/statistic to prove that?

That ALL players dropped 50%, not just Steam players? (And as I recall from that discussion you had before, I actually used the statistics to prove you wrong, showing that the number of players at the same point in a given expansion shows EW growing, not shrinking, compared to ShB, using the Steam numbers:

I didnt know 35000 was bigger than 95000, well you learn every day I guess

[Boblawblah]

Okay, just so we're clear:

100 players but only lost 10 = Not bad, only lost 10%

100k players, lost 65k = the world is ending

[Saraide]

The total playerbase, not just Steam players?

Okay, got a link/statistic to prove that?

That ALL players dropped 50%, not just Steam players?

Why would steam players behave differently than non-steam players?

[Musashidon]

Why would steam players behave differently than non-steam players?

its not about steam players being different its about the sample size, steam isn't even 10% of the player base to say that a 60% lose of steam players = how it works with overall with the player base.

[Stormpeaks]

its not about steam players being different its about the sample size, steam isn't even 10% of the player base to say that a 60% lose of steam players = how it works with overall with the player base.

I would give you as advice to read the definition of a sample

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample

[Renalt]

Have we been here before? I think we have. Did I dream it? Man...Deja Vu up in here.

[Renathras]

Why would steam players behave differently than non-steam players?

its not about steam players being different its about the sample size, steam isn't even 10% of the player base to say that a 60% lose of steam players = how it works with overall with the player base.

Partly this.

Steam players are also generally more diverse than just the MMO or JRPG markets. That is, different likes and different preferences We also have no evidence that steam players do not behave differently than the playerbase as a whole, but we DO know that the majority of the playerbase doesn't use Steam. Which means the Steam numbers likely aren't predictive. Further:

I didnt know 35000 was bigger than 95000, well you learn every day I guess

This is what bad statistics takes look like, and explains why you're wrong so much.

You're comparing to 23k, not to 95k. That's your problem and what you don't understand.

EVERY MMO, without exception, has an inflation of players when expansions release that then declines into their steady state amount. Endwalker's steady state is ~30% higher than ShB's was using the Steam numbers. That would indicate growth, not decline.

Where you'd use the 95k number to compare to, if you're going to do so, would be the month Dawntrail releases.

You know this, because I explained it to you before. This is where that whole "if you read my posts instead of snarking off about them" thing comes in. I wouldn't have to make the point to you over and over and over again, with you being wrong over and over and over again while feigning "I don't understand why people would say..." over and over and over again if you'd just read and listen the first time.

[Musashidon]

I would give you as advice to read the definition of a sample

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample

this does not refute what i said. it just says what a sample is. picking and choosing something and saying over and over again you are completely right doesnt make your use of the information wrong.

[Stormpeaks]

this does not refute what i said. it just says what a sample is. picking and choosing something and saying over and over again you are completely right doesnt make your use of the information wrong.

I aint picking nothing, I am showing statistics my friend, sorry you disagree with them, not my problem though.

[Renathras]

Have we been here before? I think we have. Did I dream it? Man...Deja Vu up in here.

Nope, you didn't dream it. We had this exact same conversation before.

I would give you as advice to read the definition of a sample

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_bias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias

EDIT:

There's no bias buddy, it's an official source from steam, I aint gonna keep talking about this with you lmao, moving on

You say this because you don't know what sampling bias is.

Or, rather, you know what it is and why it's an issue here, you just likely don't want to admit it.