You need to give up on XI-2

[Jinko]

We need a Rokien award for the forums, someone make one please.

[Wevlum]

those threads supporting 2.0 are gullibly supporting the promised "amazing" game it will be, and those supporting FFXI are lost in nostalgia. Both are misguided.

Yeah because the scathing reviews of Tanaka's vision of an MMO weren't justified in the slightest.

FFXIV 2.0 is obviously going to be better than what Tanaka left us with because lets face it, it's easy to improve on a painting if the original is a finger painting -.-;

EDIT; /slowgolfclap for Jinko's Rokien award.

[bobbygunz]

Yeah because the scathing reviews of Tanaka's vision of an MMO weren't justified in the slightest.

FFXIV 2.0 is obviously going to be better than what Tanaka left us with because lets face it, it's easy to improve on a painting if the original is a finger painting -.-;

It's possible to make it worse too, if your vision is off.

[Onidemon]

It's possible to make it worse too, if you're vision is off.

Didn't Yoshi-P prove himself enough? Whatever he did so far and what is planned in those 2.0 documents, if you took the time to read them that is, is already a good indication that his vision is way better then what Tanaka had in mind.

Yoshi-p is a gamer, he played a lot of MMOs, he said it himself. This puts him in a better position then Tanaka who had only heard and seen a bit of WOW which is let's face it the most popular MMO of all time up until now. How can you design a great MMO when you are going blind not knowing what is out there and only basing youself on a 10 yr old game. Things changes, mmo chages, gaming itself changed and Tanaka couldn't adapt.

[elreed]

you need to give up on FFXI discussions, i dont know what people think that will happen if they keep doing the same theme threads... is boring we already had this discussion 1000 times, nobody wants FFXI exact copy, just the good things from that game in the way FFXIV is, so please stop this threads the results are the same every time (and dev team already knows a lot of ideas posted)

A good thread would be a discussion were everyone says what they would like in the game without all the oppinions just what you want, maybe a dev will say that a few things sounds good and maybe implement it in their own way, if you want creativity from the dev team be creative...

[bobbygunz]

Didn't Yoshi-P prove himself enough? Whatever he did so far and what is planned in those 2.0 documents, if you took the time to read them that is, is already a good indication that his vision is way better then what Tanaka had in mind.

Yoshi-p is a gamer, he played a lot of MMOs, he said it himself. This puts him in a better position then Tanaka who had only heard and seen a bit of WOW which is let's face it the most popular MMO of all time up until now. How can you design a great MMO when you are going blind not knowing what is out there and only basing youself on a 10 yr old game. Things changes, mmo chages, gaming itself changed and Tanaka couldn't adapt.

Well that's not true. How has Yoshi proved himself when all of his promises are invested in 2.0 which we haven't played? Unless you're counting the previous 1.5 years which we've received minimal content updates as proof of his abilties (lol?).

And a lot of his ideas are hugely contentious like dungeon finder, etc. Many people left Rift because of that, so don't act like it's the saving grace of the genre, because it can wreck games instead of saving them.

[Roj]

Fact is apart from the shiny graphics FXIV is nowhere near as good as FFXI was in its heyday. Until it is people will continue to ask "put xyz from FFXI into FFXIV". The argument that one should "go and play FFXI" is completely invalid, FFXI is shite now and has been for several years, and as far as I am aware the time machine has not yet been invented.
FFXIV is going to get more like FFXI like it or not simply because thats where the primary target market for FFXIV is, namley current and former FFXI players. Just be thankful SE aren't targeting WoW players in this way.
Oh and whilst I'm here, SE fix the laughably restricted character creation please, its not FFXI! (see what I did there?) Oh nvm...

[Onidemon]

Well that's not true. How has Yoshi proved himself when all of his promises are invested in 2.0 which we haven't played? Unless you're counting the previous 1.5 years which we've received minimal content updates as proof of his abilties (lol?).

And a lot of his ideas are hugely contentious like dungeon finder, etc. Many people left Rift because of that, so don't act like it's the saving grace of the genre, because it can wreck games instead of saving them.

Have you played this game when it launched? He fixed a lot of things, it's 1000 times better then it used to be. It's not as good as it should be yet. There's a lot less complains for this game after each patch, some are actually enjoing it the way it is now. He may have a lot invested in 2.0 but he done a lot too since he took over.

[Amherst]

[Zumi]

Here is something to think about. Ask anyone who is playing FFXIV almost all of them have played FFXI. Which is one of the problems with FFXIV pretty much only has attracted FFXI players.