You need to give up on XI-2

[bobbygunz]

Unproven fact: 5/10 new threads support FFXI-2, while 5/10 threads support XIV 2.0. No love for the game in its current state.

those threads supporting 2.0 are gullibly supporting the promised "amazing" game it will be, and those supporting FFXI are lost in nostalgia. Both are misguided.

[Wevlum]

those threads supporting 2.0 are gullibly supporting the promised "amazing" game it will be, and those supporting FFXI are lost in nostalgia. Both are misguided.

Yeah because the scathing reviews of Tanaka's vision of an MMO weren't justified in the slightest.

FFXIV 2.0 is obviously going to be better than what Tanaka left us with because lets face it, it's easy to improve on a painting if the original is a finger painting -.-;

EDIT; /slowgolfclap for Jinko's Rokien award.

[bobbygunz]

Yeah because the scathing reviews of Tanaka's vision of an MMO weren't justified in the slightest.

FFXIV 2.0 is obviously going to be better than what Tanaka left us with because lets face it, it's easy to improve on a painting if the original is a finger painting -.-;

It's possible to make it worse too, if your vision is off.

[Onidemon]

It's possible to make it worse too, if you're vision is off.

Didn't Yoshi-P prove himself enough? Whatever he did so far and what is planned in those 2.0 documents, if you took the time to read them that is, is already a good indication that his vision is way better then what Tanaka had in mind.

Yoshi-p is a gamer, he played a lot of MMOs, he said it himself. This puts him in a better position then Tanaka who had only heard and seen a bit of WOW which is let's face it the most popular MMO of all time up until now. How can you design a great MMO when you are going blind not knowing what is out there and only basing youself on a 10 yr old game. Things changes, mmo chages, gaming itself changed and Tanaka couldn't adapt.

[bobbygunz]

Didn't Yoshi-P prove himself enough? Whatever he did so far and what is planned in those 2.0 documents, if you took the time to read them that is, is already a good indication that his vision is way better then what Tanaka had in mind.

Yoshi-p is a gamer, he played a lot of MMOs, he said it himself. This puts him in a better position then Tanaka who had only heard and seen a bit of WOW which is let's face it the most popular MMO of all time up until now. How can you design a great MMO when you are going blind not knowing what is out there and only basing youself on a 10 yr old game. Things changes, mmo chages, gaming itself changed and Tanaka couldn't adapt.

Well that's not true. How has Yoshi proved himself when all of his promises are invested in 2.0 which we haven't played? Unless you're counting the previous 1.5 years which we've received minimal content updates as proof of his abilties (lol?).

And a lot of his ideas are hugely contentious like dungeon finder, etc. Many people left Rift because of that, so don't act like it's the saving grace of the genre, because it can wreck games instead of saving them.

[Onidemon]

Well that's not true. How has Yoshi proved himself when all of his promises are invested in 2.0 which we haven't played? Unless you're counting the previous 1.5 years which we've received minimal content updates as proof of his abilties (lol?).

And a lot of his ideas are hugely contentious like dungeon finder, etc. Many people left Rift because of that, so don't act like it's the saving grace of the genre, because it can wreck games instead of saving them.

Have you played this game when it launched? He fixed a lot of things, it's 1000 times better then it used to be. It's not as good as it should be yet. There's a lot less complains for this game after each patch, some are actually enjoing it the way it is now. He may have a lot invested in 2.0 but he done a lot too since he took over.

[Amherst]

[bobbygunz]

Have you played this game when it launched? He fixed a lot of things, it's 1000 times better then it used to be. It's not as good as it should be yet. There's a lot less complains for this game after each patch, some are actually enjoing it the way it is now. He may have a lot invested in 2.0 but he done a lot too since he took over.

I'm not saying he is a bad director, but you realise this game was released in september 2010, right? By Rise of Zilart standards, if I can make a comparison, i.e., the western release of ffxi, content in FFXI was basically doubled since JP release. So within a year, there were huge improvements to the game. The staff upheaval when Tanaka stood down may have actually crippled progress for FFXIV for all we know. I mean, in FFXIV, we've had some improvements, but no new areas that weren't already in the dats since the official release date. There's been progress made, but come on, not as much as you'd expect for 2 years of continued development.

I realise it's an uncommon situation since most of the progress they've made is still under wraps, and that's my point, we haven't even seen their progress, so you can't act like Yoshi has proved himself the amazing director everyone says he is, yet.

In fact, I think the game would be in better shape now even if Tanaka was still on board, and I say this because we would actually SEE the progress, rather than it being hidden away for 2.0. Progress was happening at a rapid pace even before Tanaka stood down. Don't you remember the rather prompt release of NMs and debugging that happened after release? They even alleviated a lot of lag? And they increased timers for food and guild facilities , etc, so already they were listening to feedback and building the game around that, and making it less punishing.

And there are still a great many complaints, today, many directed at things S.E. intends to launch with FFXIV. Just take that content finder thingy as an example.

So in conclusion, Yoshi might be good. Might be. But how do we know until 2.0?