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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
    If you wanna base it for things in the future, then wait til then to promote it. We can't assume you're getting your HNMs.... You did get a dev response finally, but it wasn't the news you wanted. I'm basing my statements for gear swapping on what we have available, and the merit of "why should you be able to hit an instant pause button to swap into a full new armor set mid-battle" type arguements won't be invalidated by new content.
    Why would we wait until the future, to try to get ideas implemented? That seems, redundant?

    1.) Gear swapping did not require anyone to hit the pause button. All you had to do was hit a macro. So in a sense, it took around 0.1 seconds to swap gear. Not sure why it would require you to hit a pause button.

    2.) We post all these ideas because of the hopeful implementation in the future. I'm not sure you why anyone would want to base all these hybrid ideas on the current content we have right now. These are things we want to see. This game is going to be changed completely when 2.0 hits, and we are posting all of these things because we eventually would like to see them in game.




    And yes, I did get a Dev response. Despite what you think, it is exactly what I wanted, along with many others. The dev's told us that they were interested in our ideas, and they would like to see more. More is exactly what we are giving them.
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    Last edited by ThePatriarch; 04-11-2012 at 09:59 AM.
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  2. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
    let us gear swap, and the people who are against it don't have to, they will just continue to suck
    Or you could come up with.... get this... a more creative way to allow for people to min/max that doesn't involve clunky mechanics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    Me : I work with the system SE gave me and plan ahead for the type of enemies I encounter. I plan ahead to make sure I'm ready for whatever the game throws at me.

    You : I want to be able to switch gear mid battle so I don't have to think ahead. I want to macro all my gear to switch on the fly with the press of a button. I want SE to cater to my playstyle.

    I'm sorry, which sounds more lazy to you?
    Your saying the people who work to get more gear, even situational gear, and switch gear more often during battle to make the battle easier or enhance there abilities are more lazy than people who dont
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    If I can gear swap without blinking every 5 seconds between weaponskills, then okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
    Your saying the people who work to get more gear, even situational gear, and switch gear more often during battle to make the battle easier or enhance there abilities are more lazy than people who dont
    Ya apparently researching, parsing, testing mathematical theories, and being able to gear swap depending on the situation is just toooo lazy lol

    You know what this reminds me of... a fat person knowing they're going to die due to their unhealthy eating habits and refusing any sort of free help.. medical, tips, better choices in foods that are still delicious. lol It's a comical horror.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    Me : I work with the system SE gave me and plan ahead for the type of enemies I encounter. I plan ahead to make sure I'm ready for whatever the game throws at me.

    You : I want to be able to switch gear mid battle so I don't have to think ahead. I want to macro all my gear to switch on the fly with the press of a button. I want SE to cater to my playstyle.

    I'm sorry, which sounds more lazy to you?
    No.. just no. Jesus it's like arguing with Obamabots in this thread.

    You have a lv. 60 mob that is less resistant to thunder but resists all other elements, this mob has a phase in which you need an AOE for adds during the fight, these adds are a little resistant to fire and there's more than 8 of these adds.


    Tell me almighty planner...

    What do you come as? THM or BLM
    What stats are more important for this type of fight?


    Lets see who really is the lazy one here.

    INB4 I dunno..

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    Last edited by illriginalized; 04-11-2012 at 10:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sputnik View Post
    Your saying the people who work to get more gear, even situational gear, and switch gear more often during battle to make the battle easier or enhance there abilities are more lazy than people who dont
    Yes, because they're demanding SE add a mechanic that SE has stated on several occasions and under no uncertain terms that they have no intention of adding, just to cater to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatriarch View Post
    And yes, I did get a Dev response. Despite what you think, it is exactly what I wanted, along with many others. The dev's told us that they were interested in our ideas, and they would like to see more. More is exactly what we are giving them.
    But you aren't creating new ideas here... You're just continuing to hammer away at the same old gear swapping idea that SE already said they didn't want to implement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illriginalized View Post
    No.. just no. Jesus it's like arguing with Obamabots in this thread.

    You have a lv. 60 mob that is less resistant to thunder but resists all other elements, this mob has a phase in which you need an AOE for adds during the fight, these adds are a little resistant to fire and there's more than 8 of these adds.


    Tell me almighty planner...

    What do you come as? THM or BLM
    What stats are more important for this type of fight?


    Lets see who really is the lazy one here.

    INB4 I dunno..

    Sleepga and kill them individually.

    Or you could just have WHM Aeroga and Stonega the adds, or even double holy them with presence of mind. Also, where is this fight so I can test more spells/gear on it? =o
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    Of course you could always level your crafts up if you have such a problem with how other people price their gear...
    I swear this choice, tired, lame defense is as piss-poor as the people who present it.
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    Legitimate reasons why we should not have gear swapping go:

    Blinking every 5 seconds, you may say there is no need to blink, other MMOs don't but on this game we do so it IS a problem for now at least, in the current state of the game healers will hate it, I don't heal on this game (until they release a SCH type job) but I did on FFXI and I liked to keep my target on the tank because they needed most healing, then I go to hit a cure just before they blink and heal myself.

    Takes skill out of the game, when I was DDin in FFXI, I didn't have to try to do good damage, because I had decent gear, haste set for TP, get TP in a few seconds, hit my WS gearset macro and WS for nice damage, swap back. For nukers you could (if you wanted) stack alot of -enm and spam nukes without pulling hate, then hit your resting set to get MP fast and commence.

    Everyone looks exactly the same, The game will end up like "you NEED x, y, z gear for TP and a, b, c gear for DD, you need this gear for nuking and that gear for healing. How many 51+ (think that was the lvl) BLMs did not have elemental staves? how many SAMs did not have a haub (or if they have gil +1 for both of these scenarios)

    Without gear swaps you get people in different gear if they want the more situational things, perhaps they want hard hitting AA/WS over mass haste and low damage, so they stack stats that matter to that (I know we don't have haste gear now and we prolly will not get it, but its an example from FFXI) perhaps mages want all nukes to do high damage rather than thunder doing insane damage and all others gimp.

    Ligitimate reasons for wanting gear swapping OMG LOOK AT MA UBER DAMAGE, Heres the parse of me being super awesomez!!!!! no other reasons.
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