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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    I'm guessing the part that means he doesn't get what he wants.
    More like this game is going to shit because apparently majority of players are lazy asses who cry and give excuses.. one day... whether SE and these lazy asses like it or not, there's going to be a way to gear swap.. I welcome that day with open arms.


    Quote Originally Posted by Exn View Post
    Yooo.. your on to something with that. They'd have to more or less change up the whole materia system (not that its that great to begin with imo) but that could provide the same results from gear swaps without actually.. 'gear swapping'. SE could try to avoid sending the "i h8 gear swaps" crowd into a rage while not boring and limiting the rest of us to be locked into one build per fight.
    Yep!
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    Last edited by illriginalized; 04-11-2012 at 09:49 AM.

  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
    It requires planning, think-making, attention to detail, testing and some efficiency. This is what choosing the best set of gear for your current event could be. I know, people are against thinking, but if we make them think then there might be hope for the future.
    This is basically where I stand.

    Without gear swapping, you're required to make strategic decisions about your gear, weighing the pros and cons between different stats and variables before going into battle. Gear swapping promotes more "pack ratting" equipment for every scenario so you can have every stat for every situation at any given time.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoo View Post
    So make materia obtainable only through crafting? I always thought the Spiritbond system was silly myself. Encourages players to wear crap gear just to get materia.
    But again, that would defeat the purpose of materia. Which is to not only provide crafting classes an extra activity to keep them relevant to other players, but also to REMOVE GEAR FROM CIRCULATION by turning it into materia. If only crafters can make materia, why would other players not just hold onto the gear they have forever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peptaru View Post
    There aren't fights anywhere even close to things of this magnitude. How many people carry resistance sets for chimera now? No need. How many mobs change from ground to air? None. -rambling amount of examples-
    Yeah so lets just keep promoting a bland system to go along with all that bland content we've currently got.. Good point.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatriarch View Post
    I'm sure you realize that in the future, we will have more content. We do not yet know what this content is, but we know its coming.

    There will most likely be monsters that require an adaptive player.

    Arguing that we don't need gear swap because we don't have content in game right now kind of seems like a weak basis for an argument sir.

    We may not ever truly need gear swap, but basing the need of said system on a lack of content in game at the current time seems like a horrible base for an argument sir.
    If you wanna base it for things in the future, then wait til then to promote it. We can't assume you're getting your HNMs.... You did get a dev response finally, but it wasn't the news you wanted. I'm basing my statements for gear swapping on what we have available, and the merit of "why should you be able to hit an instant pause button to swap into a full new armor set mid-battle" type arguements won't be invalidated by new content.

    I used your statements as a place to make a counterpoint, if you'd like me not to then you'll need to retract your own statements until such content is added and they become relevant. Being an adaptive player and carrying more gear are not one and the same.
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by illriginalized View Post
    More like this game is going to shit because apparently majority of players are lazy asses who cry and give excuses.. one day... whether SE and these lazy asses like it or not, there's going to be a way to gear swap.. I welcome that day with open arms.
    Me : I work with the system SE gave me and plan ahead for the type of enemies I encounter. I plan ahead to make sure I'm ready for whatever the game throws at me.

    You : I want to be able to switch gear mid battle so I don't have to think ahead. I want to macro all my gear to switch on the fly with the press of a button. I want SE to cater to my playstyle.

    I'm sorry, which sounds more lazy to you?
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  7. #47
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    let us gear swap, and the people who are against it don't have to, they will just continue to suck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    But again, that would defeat the purpose of materia. Which is to not only provide crafting classes an extra activity to keep them relevant to other players, but also to REMOVE GEAR FROM CIRCULATION by turning it into materia. If only crafters can make materia, why would other players not just hold onto the gear they have forever?
    Ah, yes. This is exactly why gear is either non-existent or overpriced.
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThePatriarch View Post
    While I agree, the player should be prepared. What happens when a fight starts off MP heavy, but then turns into an AoE Elemental conundrum that requires people to swap to ele sets, and DR sets on the whim?

    Preparing for fights is a must. Definitely. But what about fights that change in the aspects of what kind of gear you need?

    For example: Tiamat. On ground I wore Haste/DR. But in Air I needed fire res.

    Pandemonium Warden: Required all kinds of gear!

    But my question to you, good sir, is this:

    What if gear swapping was instant, and didn't make characters blink? Inventory space is already massive. What if there were ways to implement gear swapping that isn't as clunky as the system in FFXI?
    This is where you look at all the different gear you use in a fight, and carefully determine which are the most critical to your success, and go in with that gear. Gear swapping isn't required to win fights, it also isn't the only strategy to employ in combat to make you more successful.

    Blinking isn't even part of the issue. Inventory space is getting halved in 2.0.

    I think there are ways to implement layers of strategy in combat that don't involve changing your pants while there's a beast clawing at your face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xoo View Post
    Ah, yes. This is exactly why gear is either non-existent or overpriced.
    Of course you could always level your crafts up if you have such a problem with how other people price their gear...
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