G-give it Back T---T; !!

[Ransu]

Why? Because I genuinely don't care about Kaiten I was apparently not good at SAM? Is that really what we're going to assume here?

There can be SAM players who were great that want Kaiten back.
There can be SAM players who weren't great that want Kaiten back.
There can be SAM players who were great that DON'T want Kaiten Back.
There can be SAM players who weren't great that DON'T want Kaiten back.

If you need a coping mechanism, go get a coping mechanism but don't assume how good someone was at Samurai back then based on how much they want Kaiten back now. That's a strawman if I've ever seen one.

A sam player that doesn't want kaiten back was never really a sam main. May as well just remove kenki and stickers while we're at it and go full yolo sam. People have complained forever about how this game keeps getting simplified, and then when a certain group dislikes a change that makes sam even more simplistic people are suddenly fine with it.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

A sam player that doesn't want kaiten back was never really a sam main. May as well just remove kenki and stickers while we're at it and go full yolo sam. People have complained forever about how this game keeps getting simplified, and then when a certain group dislikes a change that makes sam even more simplistic people are suddenly fine with it.

That's like saying a DRK player that doesn't want HW DRK back was never really a DRK main. Is Samurai a gatekeeping club now that only cares about people who want Kaiten back and who don't?

Look, I get you guys are genuinely mad since 6.1, I well acknowledge this but does every single SAM thread have to turn into a segregation between Kaiten-loving-good-SAMs and Kaiten-not-loving-bad-SAMs? The core of the issue, before as after, is that Samurai Kenki spending has been monotonous. The difference between a Shinten and a Kaiten button press is so minimal, I literally couldn't care less.

Seigan? 50-gauge Guren/Senei? Alternative Kenki spending options that actually do something other than damage that still synergizes with SAM's damage tool kit? Maybe a reduction in base Kenki generation if its generated too much? What about giving Shinten -> Kyuten a sort of synergy? Like:

Shinten -> Next Kyuten has Shinten Potency
Kyuten -> Next Shinten is AOE

But no, it has to always be Kaiten, nothing else.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

That's like saying a DRK player that doesn't want HW DRK back was never really a DRK main. Is Samurai a gatekeeping club now that only cares about people who want Kaiten back and who don't?

Look, I get you guys are genuinely mad since 6.1, I well acknowledge this but does every single SAM thread have to turn into a segregation between Kaiten-loving-good-SAMs and Kaiten-not-loving-bad-SAMs? The core of the issue, before as after, is that Samurai Kenki spending has been monotonous. The difference between a Shinten and a Kaiten button press is so minimal, I literally couldn't care less.

Seigan? 50-gauge Guren/Senei? Alternative Kenki spending options that actually do something other than damage that still synergizes with SAM's damage tool kit? Maybe a reduction in base Kenki generation if its generated too much? What about giving Shinten -> Kyuten a sort of synergy? Like:

Shinten -> Next Kyuten has Shinten Potency
Kyuten -> Next Shinten is AOE

But no, it has to always be Kaiten, nothing else.

The funny thing to me is how the insist losing kaiten was the problem, not the reduction in cost of guren/senai, not the Nerfing of setsugekka just to replace it with a new ability on a 120sec CD.



Just kaiten.

[Karious]

Is Samurai a gatekeeping club now that only cares about people who want Kaiten back and who don't?

Gatekeeping is good. Get with the program.

[Ransu]

That's like saying a DRK player that doesn't want HW DRK back was never really a DRK main.

Any DRK player from HW era who still plays DRK and doesn't miss dark arts is lying.

At this point so do I just so they can stop talking about how much they miss it and go back to complaining about the actual issues SAM has...

There wasn't really any issues with Sam prior to 6.1. The few that were, were minor and easy to fix.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

In Bravely Default 2, Dark Arts is also a Pictomancer ability. If we actually get Pictomancer I could see them giving Dark Arts to Pictomancer. At least in name, but not effect.

Boi I'll Daub-debuff all over Square Enix if they do that and hit them with critical everything.

[CelestiCer]

This is definitely not true. My friend has parsed 100 in every fight for Samurai and genuinely thinks the job is better without it. There are definitely people out there that don't want it back, but those that do are a lot more vocal about it. It's also one of those topics that people are afraid to speak out publicly against because they don't want to be called trolls or feel harassed like the devs were for removing it.

Click on this link if you truly think this is... nothing... " Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 Kaiten removal " - being silenced is nothing new, we get that treatment from SE a lot and definitely not limited to Samurai...

" Hissatsu: Kaiten " served to not devolve our rotation into Shinten spamming which is what it is now. Debates on the balance against certain crayon eaters I spoke against in the SAM lounge with all offense? just view anything that gets in the way of a perfect parse a nuisance, bad party members in their view included... RNG, Crit variance, Positionals, faulty strats... anything. If a players desire is just a funny number on some website? then anything that simplifies a Job is a pro as it removes another that stood in the way of a high or 100 parse, which I find a terrible mindset for our Gameplay...

" A button you press every-time " excuse of an argument point to showcase something being to easy i.e in their opinion Hissatsu: Kaiten... that I'll get thrown at me for the 100th time, when we press literally every button every time making it a flawed argument by so many players and parsers included... giving me the say that we can remove anything now that is deemed " easy " in our skill kits... for their precious darned logs...

I could agree beyond the meme's that if the player in terms of fun find Samurai better without Kaiten? that's a subjective view on Fun, sure. It being better now in design however? that we're button bashing Shinten as the only meaningful Kenki Spendor... is absolutely moronic...

Absolutely Salute the cosplayer, the 160+ Samurai threads in the DPS subsection, over what 12 video's of content creators about Kaiten... many of us are not apologetic about being passionate about a tiny part of the game no. If your friend is passionate about a number and nothing else much? won't knock it, but I want my Kaiten back... beneficial for their damn Parses or Not... mhm.