G-give it Back T---T; !!

[CelestiCer]

Following video links of content creators regarding Kaiten

4-01-2022 - Hatsuka Raigeki - Thoughts Samurai Changes
4-02-2022 - Misshapen Chair - My Samurai 6.1 Changes Thoughts
4-05-2022 - Alninio - FFXIV - 6.1 NEW Samurai - Kaiten Is REMOVED
4-06-2022 - Misshapen Chair - I am the FFXIV Villain
4-10-2022 - Trinimmortal - How I feel about the samurai changes in 6.1...
4-11-2022 - Hatsuka Raigeki - FFXIV - Patch 6.1 Samurai Changes | What are you doing Square Enix?
4-11-2022 - SurfiePlays - My THOUGHTS On Samurai's Job 6.1 Changes | FFXIV Patch Notes
4-14-2022 - Ilya Dalamiq - Thoughts On The Samurai Changes | Patch 6.1 - FFXIV Endwalker
4-23-2022 - Trinimmortal - HAS ANYONE FOUND MY KAITEN - FFXIV Patch 6.1
8-04-2022 - Lucy Pyre - 3 FFXIV Jobs to Play if you HATE YOURSELF
8-20-2022 - Xenosys Vex - Xeno Rants About Crit & Direct Hit In Final Fantasy 14
8-25-2022 - Lucy Pyre - 3 FFXIV Jobs to Play if you HATE OTHER PEOPLE
8-07-2023 - Preach Gaming Cosplay reaction

Square asked us for Feedback? we gave it...
- In thread format
- In video format
- In meme-ing format
- In cosplay of all things at a fanfest...

" Compiled SAM threads against 6.1 Kaiten removal "

There are many more threads / videos / links and I probably missed... it's just a lot... bring it back...



= Bring Back Kaiten =

[Payadopa]

I knew what this was about before clicking on it.

And since we're daydreaming, bring back the old ASTcards.

[Darkobra]

And original Flare and Foul without the AoE reduction.

[Shurrikhan]

And original Flare and Foul without the AoE reduction.

Unless specifically aiming to imbalance the affected job, this just makes your big AoE no longer worth using in single-target (over the levels before getting its single-target equivalent, if any, thereby forcing that button-bloat and hurting that level range's gameplay).

Damage reduction after first enemy struck | Bonus damage to first enemy struck
Potato | potato.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Ahh, more spam, lovely.



And no, kaiten can stay dead. What we really need is to Un-nerf setsugekka.

[CelestiCer]

Ahh, more spam, lovely.

And no, kaiten can stay dead. What we really need is to Un-nerf setsugekka.

Heresy !!!!!! Heretic !!! I say, mhm

[Ransu]

Ahh, more spam, lovely.



And no, kaiten can stay dead. What we really need is to Un-nerf setsugekka.

No thanks. Give me kaiten back.

[Reimmi]

Ahh, more spam, lovely.



And no, kaiten can stay dead. What we really need is to Un-nerf setsugekka.

If the button was too hard for you to use you could just not use it ^^

[CelestiCer]

If the button was too hard for you to use you could just not use it ^^

And that's the beauty of it. Like " Reimmi " mentions and I agree, if you don't want to master Kaiten and it's Kenki management? that is completely fine as players won't need to when they wish to clear 95% of all existing content. Hell even for the last 5% of hardcore endgame raiding it isn't even necessary to fully master it to perfection as DPS checks are made more leniant, it is optional mastery to pool Kenki perfectly with the extra Layer Kaiten provided that can be applied to all content and that is " satisfying "...

Although " Valkyrie's " point doesn't make sense... since Hissatsu: Kaiten management and it even existing? actually provided less spam in our rotation due to it providing another Kenki spender. The meme that its a button you press every time to downplay Kaiten as spam? ironically now that it doesn't exist means our gameplay has devolved into 1/5th of our Samurai rotation being Shinten Spamming. Kaiten never amounted to the same shallowness of Shinten spam, of which no one seems to advocate for it when they want to argue Kaiten away. No one cause we all know what we have now is truly dumb as bricks!!

Whenever it suits their narrative? Kaiten somehow is always to easy to handle yet simultaneously to difficult to handle? somehow always button bloat, somehow the only button we press every-time out every existing Job and Skill that exists in any Jobs rotation and somehow always the only skill regarded as spam when they want to argue Kaiten away... And yet they never put any other Samurai skill to the same level of scrutiny when they blast Kaiten's design ( i.e Shinten ) without knowing what they are talking about because shocker? they probably don't play Samurai. I want it back... " Give back my Kaiten " mhm

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

If the button was too hard for you to use you could just not use it ^^

Sigh... noone ever said Kaiten was difficult to press let alone manage any ressources for.

What is being repeatedly said is that Kaiten was essentially a button you press before Iaijutsu 100% of times and never press it on any other GCD 100% of times since at that point Shinten (and previously Seigan) had more ppg (potency per gaugecost).

Yes Shinten spam is boring, yes losing Seigan is a tragedy and I also can understand the satisfaction of the twirling animation and the idea of boosting/changing your next attack. But with Kaiten there was no alternative usecase, you always used it before Iaijutsu and never used it anywhere else in realistic scenarios. Shinten and Seigan you could at least shift where in your timeline you used them as long as you didn't overcap Kenki or went too low on burst window.

If Kaiten was transforming how Iaijutsus or skills in general behaved, THAT would be cool, that is what the PvP version does and what I'd enjoy having on Samurai. But the old version just is a "Shinten you press before Iaijutsus, everytime without question" so I understand why people don't care and don't want it back when there are others that do want it back.