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  1. #111
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    Ashley Hallowheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reddyo View Post
    Oh the streamer with private videos for subs only that abuses housing, yeah. I wonder where that 1,5 bill gill a month goes to.. ehrm ehrm..
    oh nyooo people make money, the drama, whatever could square Enix do ? Oh they cant do anything because it aint agaisnt ToS, oh the humanity



    Quote Originally Posted by Yodada View Post
    Having with fun with decorating. Subs are just a nice bonus
    This btw, pure truth, doing what you love and getting paid for it is cool to have.
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    Last edited by AlexiaD; 08-06-2023 at 06:23 AM.

  2. #112
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    Again, my question goes unanswered. Why do you need 5+ houses? Why should you be allowed to buy up multiple medium/large plots all for yourself? Do you have any reasonable explanation for wanting to purchase and hold onto houses for anything besides gil farming and rmt?
    I don't need 5+ houses on servers with a severe lack of houses. If I were to buy more than 5 fc houses they would all be cottages in empty fc wards and it would be to make gil, so I could buy all the mounts and minions and music sold on the market board. That's perfectly reasonable, and harms absolutely no one. That's why.

    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    Why force people to move to servers, that they don't want to be on, away from their friends just so that they can have a house?
    Oh please, stop acting like every server in the game is Balmung or that this discussion revolves around NA. I'm on EU, Stormy is on EU, this thread is about an EU server. There is not a single server on EU one would have to transfer away from in order to get a house. Not even for a personal house. You are completely clueless if you think 5+ fc houses is even making a dent in the available housing supply.
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  3. #113
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    I don't need 5+ houses on servers with a severe lack of houses. If I were to buy more than 5 fc houses they would all be cottages in empty fc wards and it would be to make gil, so I could buy all the mounts and minions and music sold on the market board. That's perfectly reasonable, and harms absolutely no one. That's why.



    Oh please, stop acting like every server in the game is Balmung or that this discussion revolves around NA. I'm on EU, Stormy is on EU, this thread is about an EU server. There is not a single server on EU one would have to transfer away from in order to get a house. Not even for a personal house. You are completely clueless if you think 5+ fc houses is even making a dent in the available housing supply.
    I literally sent them a link too earlier, granted I sent it about FC wards, but I have a plot on Sagi W22 which is private in Mist that has over 19 plots available, but as you can see he wasnt too happy with me providing evidence that there is housing for everyone

    Quote Originally Posted by AlexiaD View Post
    Depriving people of housing you say ?

    Let's see here... (I am posting more dont you worry, I'm just getting started)

    Goblet W1 https://imgur.com/a/bqVIjV3
    Goblet W3 https://imgur.com/a/4xANwyu
    Goblet W4 https://imgur.com/a/T4l7WKP

    Want me to go on ?

    Oh, perhaps we should visit empyreum yes ?

    Empyreum W2 https://imgur.com/a/ljsrqoj
    Empyreum W3 https://imgur.com/a/hzJIv3i
    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    Again, you miss my point entirely, as is to be expected with Storm Peaks. Why should someone be forced to buy in a zone they don't want so you can have all your hoarded houses wherever you please? Why should you be able to deprive people of having a house next to their friends so you can own 5+ houses? Why do you need 5+ houses? Why do you need the gil from Submarine farms to remain high? Why would a submarine farmer turn to RMT if this gil was reduced? I'll wait for ONE answer to any of these.
    I created an alt not long ago, and I am getting my first shirogane small house on that character this week as personal because it's a plot I dont have yet and that I like, this is also the first round I am entering for, so far I have 0 bids agaisnt me, so once again, one wonders where is this "housing scarcity" and "limited ressource".
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    Last edited by AlexiaD; 08-06-2023 at 06:42 AM.

  4. #114
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    Marel Nobelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archeron View Post
    Again, my question goes unanswered. Why do you need 5+ houses? Why force people to move to servers, that they don't want to be on, away from their friends just so that they can have a house? Why should you be allowed to buy up multiple medium/large plots all for yourself? Do you have any reasonable explanation for wanting to purchase and hold onto houses for anything besides gil farming and rmt?
    If you go for whatever house is available instead of only going for the best ones, you can easily get one with enough effort. Right now, it's not hard to get a house, even a good one. I got a great one on my alt with no one else bidding against me. How'd I do that? By bidding in the Goblet, where a lot of people don't want to. The only houses that you'd have to move servers for is if you want one of the best plots, like a Shirogane beachfront plot. And at that point, of course you're going to have a lot of competition, everyone else wants that one too.

    As for why someone would want 5+ houses, the answer is obvious. They want them, and it's not against the rules to have them. I do think that the people who own entire wards are weird for doing that, but only 5ish houses? Not a big deal my guy.
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    i spoke to a GM via the ingame report months ago and was basically told cant do anything about it they havent broken ToC or something similar, which to me translated into CBA we make money.
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  6. #116
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    Oh boy, this is such a wild theory.
    The limited housing plots and special website aside, it's really a big stretch to assume that submarines are used for RMT purposes. I'm not an expert in that area, but I'm pretty sure there are much better ways to gain gil, lol.

    First of all, building all submarines to max level (esp. if you got 30+ FC's) takes a lot of time. You also need better gear, so they can explore better and newer zones.
    If you're past that leveling and exploring process, you need to actually get BiS gear for submarines. This is even more expensive. Did you ever craft modified-submarine gear? It's not fun. Especially when you have to turn in every piece 1 by 1.

    It also doesnt matter which loot you farm. Furniture, materials, minions or even fight-club mats (NPC=Gil items) - submarines TAKE realtime. You have to wait for the submarines to return. Then you need thousands of FC coins to buy fuel AND repair magitek kits. Even if you craft or buy them, they cost gil either way!

    And most importantly, submarines RNG loot system is not reliable to gain gil. Honestly, this thread mixed up subjects just to gain support. And failed at that.
    I don't support/defend RMT sellers, but it's not fair to accuse multi-housing owner's. Especially when they worked so hard for their workshops.
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    Last edited by xbahax92; 08-06-2023 at 07:58 AM.

  7. #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbahax92 View Post
    Oh boy, this is such a wild theory.
    The limited housing plots and special website aside, it's really a big stretch to assume that submarines are used for RMT purposes. I'm not an expert in that area, but I'm pretty sure there are much better ways to gain gil, lol.

    First of all, building all submarines to max level (esp. if you got 30+ FC's) takes a lot of time. You also need better gear, so they can explore better and newer zones.
    If you're past that leveling and exploring process, you need to actually get BiS gear for submarines. This is even more expensive. Did you ever craft modified-submarine gear? It's not fun. Especially when you have to turn in every piece 1 by 1.

    It also doesnt matter which loot you farm. Furniture, materials, minions or even fight-club mats (NPC=Gil items) - submarines TAKE realtime. You have to wait for the submarines to return. Then you need thousands of FC coins to buy fuel AND repair magitek kits. Even if you craft or buy them, they cost gil either way!

    And most importantly, submarines RNG loot system is not reliable to gain gil. Honestly, this thread mixed up subjects just to gain support. And failed at that.
    I don't support/defend RMT sellers, but it's not fair to accuse multi-housing owner's. Especially when they worked so hard for their workshops.
    Actually one of the first decent response I've seen in this thread, thank you for that.
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  8. #118
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    Quote Originally Posted by xbahax92 View Post
    but I'm pretty sure there are much better ways to gain gil
    yes. actual rmters make 300m gil per week per char and its definitely not through housing rofl
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  9. #119
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Autumn-Rain View Post
    i spoke to a GM via the ingame report months ago and was basically told cant do anything about it they havent broken ToC or something similar, which to me translated into CBA we make money.
    To any Shadowbringers or Endwalker newbies, I would like to take you on a small trip through time.

    2020:
    Quote Originally Posted by TwistedTea View Post
    There are no loopholes. A single service account can own 8 FC houses and 1 personal. To own a ward, multiple subscriptions have to be paid for. The person who owns this ward has reported themselves to the GM and the GM has replied that it's allowed:
    2019:
    Quote Originally Posted by MaybeOliverB View Post
    The bulk of multihouse owners are very public about what they are doing. After all, we are playing within the rules. So as it is, you can already quantify those houses.
    2018:
    Quote Originally Posted by NotOliverB View Post
    That's exactly what the game allows. 1 house per FC. In my case, 22 FCs for 22 FC houses.
    Quote Originally Posted by OliverB View Post
    Contrary to the popular belief, leveling up 18+ fcs takes resources on top of the ongoing management. There's no circumventing the rules or any exploit. Anyone can load up 9 houses on the same account if they are willing to put in the effort.
    I know it's exciting to try and catch the bad guys, but this is not new nor is it against the rules. Multiowners are not hiding. They are naming their fc tags in obvious identifiable ways simply because they can. They have posted about it on the forum for years without being banned. GMs know about people owning whole wards and they will not interfere.
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  10. #120
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    To any Shadowbringers or Endwalker newbies, I would like to take you on a small trip through time.

    2020:


    2019:


    2018:



    I know it's exciting to try and catch the bad guys, but this is not new nor is it against the rules. Multiowners are not hiding. They are naming their fc tags in obvious identifiable ways simply because they can. They have posted about it on the forum for years without being banned. GMs know about people owning whole wards and they will not interfere.
    Well that closes this topic, it's fully allowed and is not against ToS, as proven by that GM conversation.

    Dont think anything else needs to be said.
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