Housing Ownership System Abuse

[Sylvastreak]

If GMs say it's not against the rules, it's probably not against the rules.

Launching a targeted harassment campaign on the forums, though, just might be against the rules. We will find out shortly.

Harassment is not what I'm aiming for here. People are already harassing these folks and while they're certainly... something impolite for knowingly circumventing the system like this, I do not encourage or condone the death threats and doxxing that I've heard has gone on. What I want to do is bring attention to it not just being "oh that pair of players on that one NA server bought half a ward between them" that's most often referenced, and people complaining about the grandfathering system which gets mixed in with this a lot. This was done recently and after the current system of "one personal house per server per account and one fc house per character" was implemented.

[Sylvastreak]

SE already knows we're short on housing. Saying "We need housing, 5,040 houses per server is not enough to fit the average 24,000 characters on NA servers" is legitimate feedback. And they are listening.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...f3579a73d109cf

Players who own houses currently are not the problem. Naming and shaming isn't the solution. If you think another player has broken the rules, report them so GMs can investigate.

Players who own houses currently aren't the problem if they aren't abusing the system like this FC has done. This IS a problem. Under what section would this even be reportable?

[TwistedTea]

Harassment is not what I'm aiming for here. People are already harassing these folks and while they're certainly... something impolite for knowingly circumventing the system like this, I do not encourage or condone the death threats and doxxing that I've heard has gone on. What I want to do is bring attention to it not just being "oh that pair of players on that one NA server bought half a ward between them" that's most often referenced, and people complaining about the grandfathering system which gets mixed in with this a lot. This was done recently and after the current system of "one personal house per server per account and one fc house per character" was implemented.

There are no loopholes. A single service account can own 8 FC houses and 1 personal. To own a ward, multiple subscriptions have to be paid for. The person who owns this ward has reported themselves to the GM and the GM has replied that it's allowed:


You posting a screenshot with the FC tags on the other hand can be constituted as harassment.

[Catstab]

This IS a problem. Under what section would this even be reportable?

You said you reported it. You said GMs told you 'no violation has occurred.' So what is the problem? You don't like it? I don't like losing rolls. I don't like not being at gil cap. Doesn't make those things rules.

[Sylvastreak]

And that seems like several levels of Bull being enabled, particularly when it sounds like it should at least be counted under some section of ToS of being fair to other players. Nevertheless if I get told to remove this by a GM or it gets deleted, then I'll take it as "not allowed". Other than that - again, this is clearly circumvention and abuse of the system that was put in place to STOP this!!!

[Sylvastreak]

You said you reported it. You said GMs told you 'no violation has occurred.' So what is the problem? You don't like it? I don't like losing rolls. I don't like not being at gil cap. Doesn't make those things rules.

Those things do not affect anyone other than you, the housing wards are supposed to be there for everyone. Not for one person to buy up and use as their personal damn miniature city. And that doesn't make the GMs immediately right. As my mother has asked me many a time, if someone in a position of authority told you to jump off a bridge would you not question it?

[lumihime]

Even if it's not technically against the rules, I do think it's kinda messed up to hoard an entire housing ward like that for the sake of having a "personal RP city". It's a bit selfish, is it not?

I don't wish them grief, but I do wish they'd be a little more mindful of others, considering how limited housing is in this game. I know things aren't always "fair", and that this is quite a first-world problem, but that doesn't make it any less rude.

It'd be great if Square added more housing to try and alleviate this, but I don't think it'd help much considering mass-buying wards like this is relatively common...

[Miminming]

its not one FC is several character having tge same FC tag and probanly several service account, so it's not a violation against the rule, morale wise not the best, bit GM can't and won't do anything since they play fair by having several account and PAY several account. no housing? git gud and clicking ./jk

[Sylvastreak]

It's one person with several accounts. There's nothing fair about them denying other players a house just so they can play dollhouse.

[Sylvastreak]

Brought this up in another thread...

Instances have a limit to the number of players be that inside the house or out of it..

If enough people are tired of these kingpin mafia style house hoarders you could flood the instance once the demolition time is back up and keep it full.. youd need to stay for over a month without logging out but it would force them to lose their house..

With how many people afk in Limsa and never leave i don't think it would be impossible lol

it probably wouldn't but gridlocking an instance like that is against ToS (like hoarding houses like this should be!!!).