Alliance raid fix?

[Reinha]

it would be so trivially easy for someone to do this and just have the alt instant leave the moment the black screen vanishes before half the people have loaded in
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So long as CT is still by far and above the best exp - time ratio for the roulette, people will always find ways to game the system.

Yes it's trivially easy, but no, people will not game the system except for a small handful. All of these revenge fantasies about leveling alts are just empty threats and blowing off steam. The reality is that most people are not willing to complete a series of easy repetitive tasks for delayed gratification. The fact that all fc cottages have not been bought by individuals wanting their 4 personal submarines that would print free gil until servers shut down is proof of that. Similarly people are not going to level a whole new alt just to shave off 15 minutes in their alliance roulette. It's faster and easier to not do the roulette at all, or to take a penalty if it's not CT. There are already people saying they'll just stop queuing.

Even in this thread alone, you can already see people ready to offer their 'CT taxi services' the moment this goes into effect.

Queuing with other people is an intended feature of the game, so nobody's mad about that. Cheesers didn't do that though, and that's because taking your gear off is easier than talking to people or waiting for them to be online. If this change gets people to be more social then it's even better for the game than I thought.

[Daeriion_Aeradiir]

Yes it's trivially easy, but no, people will not game the system except for a small handful. All of these revenge fantasies about leveling alts are just empty threats and blowing out steam. The reality is that most people are not willing to complete a series of easy repetitive tasks for delayed gratification. The fact that all fc cottages have not been bought by individuals wanting their 4 personal submarines that would print free gil until servers shut down is proof of that. Similarly people are not going to level a whole new alt jus to shave off 15 minutes in their alliance roulette. It's faster and easier to not do the roulette at all, or to take a penalty if it's not CT. There are already people saying they'll just stop queuing.

Doesn't really matter how minor the amount is, people determined enough will always find a way to gamble the system. Either way, it's a novel idea that me & about 5 ish of my friends who own secondary accounts could easily execute if we so chose.
My point was more that your whole quoting that one passage of the ToS will basically amount to nothing when effectively no one is going to bother to report the people intentionally afking (or doing it well enough to blend in) or those who choose to leave repeatedly when they get something not braindead. I've had a friend who auto-leaves every Dun Scaith, Lighthouse, Orbonne & not copied factory NIER raid, along with bailing every EX instance in mentor roulette for over two years now and has never once gotten any sort of GM encounter.

It's just what the meta for cheesers will be going forward - simply take the 30min penalty because there's effectively no actual threat/danger of reprisal and go do something else and fish for CT since the roulette is still insanely biased towards it that you'll be statistically likely to get it over anything else anyway.

[Reinha]

Doesn't really matter how minor the amount is, people determined enough will always find a way to gamble the system. Either way, it's a novel idea that me & about 5 ish of my friends who own secondary accounts could easily execute if we so chose.

The amount is the entire point and it did matter to the devs too, which is why it was changed. No one cares about (hypothetically) you and your 5 friends doing it for a month until everyone gets bored. But now it's inconvenient enough that it's not thousands of people doing it for years. Success!

I've had a friend who auto-leaves every Dun Scaith, Lighthouse, Orbonne & not copied factory NIER raid, along with bailing every EX instance in mentor roulette for over two years now and has never once gotten any sort of GM encounter.

The passage I quoted was about disconnecting or going afk repeatedly. Leaving has always been allowed. People could have - and should have - done that instead of taking their gear off and manipulating the queue.

It's just what the meta for cheesers will be going forward - simply take the 30min penalty because there's effectively no actual threat/danger of reprisal and go do something else and fish for CT since the roulette is still insanely biased towards it that you'll be statistically likely to get it over anything else anyway.

So we agree. The meta won't be alts, it will be random queuing + taking the penalty or not queuing at all.