Samurai LB is still BS

[Llynethil]

If you cc a sam and los him, you just survived the sam lb because the debuff will be gone when he gets los back, which is far better then trying to turret and die anyway because the shield either didn't come up fast enough, or you die anyway because you're left with 6k hp which is nothing.

I KNOW IT DOESN'T DEBUFF THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

You AIN'T surviving a sam lb as machinist with that crap shield period unless you're fighting in FL maybe then ye your point is valid, now your team is down to 4 and prob loses ground because of it, how the hell is that a better situation then los the sam, then kill him and gain ground meanwhile, and when he returns, be more carefull and bait out the chiten instead of the actual debuff then kill him again.

In what world is facetanking that lb a better option than just cc and los then removing the sam from the field, you gonna facetank as a machinist every 120s?

And yes turret is good in general, but NOT vs sam lb when you got debuffed.

[TiraMsu]

If you cc a sam and los him, you just survived the sam lb because the debuff will be gone when he gets los back, which is far better then trying to turret and die anyway because the shield either didn't come up fast enough, or you die anyway because you're left with 6k hp which is nothing.

I KNOW IT DOESN'T DEBUFF THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

You AIN'T surviving a sam lb as machinist with that crap shield period unless you're fighting in FL maybe then ye your point is valid, now your team is down to 4 and prob loses ground because of it, how the hell is that a better situation then los the sam, then kill him and gain ground meanwhile, and when he returns, be more carefull and bait out the chiten instead of the actual debuff then kill him again.

In what world is facetanking that lb a better option than just cc and los then removing the sam from the field, you gonna facetank as a machinist every 120s?

And yes turret is good in general, but NOT vs sam lb when you got debuffed.

let me ask you this. how much CC have you played as MCH? in light party? in casuals? in ranked? because i have played and won thousands of ranked games as a machinist and have also played machinist in casuals and light party. i have experience playing and winning with this class and have successfully baited SAM lb with machinist turret MANY TIMES. so i can say your comment that it's a "crap shield" is objectively misguided at best. any shield that lets you survive a SAM lb isn't crap imo, and again, just because you can't do something doesn't invalidate it as an effective tool.

your mindset for cc play is the issue. you think in terms of micro instead of macro play. of course it's situationally important to consider whether your team comp is heavily reliant on aoe for bursts, but this entire game mode is about lb economy. let's say i followed your "recommended course of action" and cc and los the SAM - they then have 25 second cooldown on chiten, BUT THEY STILL HAVE A 25K POTENS AOE ATTACK ON DEMAND. so let's say their team members have forms of cc or an aoe stun (RPR, DNC, GNB, WHM) and your team members dont guard or have their guard broken. it doesn't matter that the SAM didnt get a chiten proc off any of those team members because 25k aoe on top of cleaves/dmg buffs (gnb)/etc, those multiple team members (which could have lbs or a slower lb regeneration than you) are ko'd. now if the SAM gets the chiten proc off and there aren't any of the mitigating techniques listed in the original post? that's even worse because the lb economy of the opposite team is in an even better position better than yours. 1 SAM lb in exchange for delaying the build of more than one player's lbs? that is never a good exchange for your team.

[TiraMsu]

If you cc a sam and los him, you just survived the sam lb because the debuff will be gone when he gets los back, which is far better then trying to turret and die anyway because the shield either didn't come up fast enough, or you die anyway because you're left with 6k hp which is nothing.

I KNOW IT DOESN'T DEBUFF THAT'S NOT THE POINT.

You AIN'T surviving a sam lb as machinist with that crap shield period unless you're fighting in FL maybe then ye your point is valid, now your team is down to 4 and prob loses ground because of it, how the hell is that a better situation then los the sam, then kill him and gain ground meanwhile, and when he returns, be more carefull and bait out the chiten instead of the actual debuff then kill him again.

In what world is facetanking that lb a better option than just cc and los then removing the sam from the field, you gonna facetank as a machinist every 120s?

And yes turret is good in general, but NOT vs sam lb when you got debuffed.

also, have you tried not getting debuffed? because turret not proccing chiten actually IS the point. as a machinist you are in a position where you have a skill that can deal damage and debuff your enemy/buff your team or self and then be able to sit there and not hit the SAM until their chiten wears off. if the idea of not hitting gcds makes you anxious, there are 4 other enemy combatants you could use single-target skills on in the meantime.

[Llynethil]

also, have you tried not getting debuffed? because turret not proccing chiten actually IS the point. as a machinist you are in a position where you have a skill that can deal damage and debuff your enemy/buff your team or self and then be able to sit there and not hit the SAM until their chiten wears off. if the idea of not hitting gcds makes you anxious, there are 4 other enemy combatants you could use single-target skills on in the meantime.

Look the first post we were reacting to, it was a list of random shields that prevent the oneshot, the whole point is turret shield does not help when you are ALREADY debuffed and want to not get destroyed by the sam, it shields too late and is too weak anyway to survive, noone is saying in every other situation turret is also bad, it's the specific situation of having hit the chiten and the best way to survive it, CC'ing gives better odds than turret shield.

Yes if you aren't debuffed it's fine to drop the turret, everyone knows this already.

You guys are the ones turning into a completely different argument.