Alliance raid fix?

[Fawkes]

[BristolRuss]

*hypothetically*

Queue with a level 50 'friend'.

Friend immediately has an emergency and has to leave.

Spot gets filled by someone queueing for an in-progress roulette.

Profit.

[CaptainLagbeard]

The ARR alliance raids are still the most likely to show up, due to all the factors aside from the ilvl cheesing.

While getting some other ones for a change can be nice... You also increase the risk of getting the absolute slog that are the Nier raids.

[Jojoya]

Then why did people bother to item level cheese in the first place if according to you they were going to end up in Crystal Tower anyway? It's almost like they knew they might end up in a higher level raid. And now they will.

Up until 5.3, ilvl cheese was the way to go because CT wasn't mandatory.

After 5.3, ilvl cheese was simply to ensure that luck didn't work against them.

This still isn't going to have the effect people think for a reason I didn't catch anyone else mentioning yet.

Shadows of Mhach, Return to Ivalice, YoRHa: Apocalypse and Myths of the Realm are not mandatory unlocks. Crystal Tower is the only mandatory Alliance raid.

Out of 5 characters I have that have completed the 6.0 MSQ, you will never get anything other than Crystal Tower if I queue for Alliance raid. It's not because they'll be ilvl cheesing. They'll have at least 640 ilvl equipped. It's because they've never unlocked those other Alliance raids.

So there are 3 reasons you're more likely to end up in CT:

Someone doing it for MSQ progression.
Someone leveling a job between level 50 and 59.
Someone has not unlocked the other Alliance raids.

Their right if they're willing to take the penalty for leaving.

[Iscah]

brb queueing CT directly just for the fun of it.

That's the point though. If you only want CT, you have to direct-queue for CT and not get the roulette bonus for theoretically being available to fill any dungeon.

Plus you'll probably join other people already queuing, and take a spot that would otherwise have to be filled by someone recruited from the roulette.

So go ahead, direct queue if that's the dungeon you want to spend your time in.

[CidHeiral]

So there are 3 reasons you're more likely to end up in CT:

Someone doing it for MSQ progression.
Someone leveling a job between level 50 and 59.
Someone has not unlocked the other Alliance raids.

Nobody is expecting to never see CT again after this change. "More likely" is fine. "Almost every time" is not, and that's what people were irritated by. I don't think any reasonable person would be angry seeing CT every so often because some sprouts are in the group or whatever, but getting pulled in there every single time you queue and then looking around to see people putting their normal gear back on is pretty infuriating.

You also increase the risk of getting the absolute slog that are the Nier raids.

They were a slog when they were new, I really disliked Copied Factory for that reason, but they go by fairly quickly these days.

[TaleraRistain]

So there are 3 reasons you're more likely to end up in CT:

Someone doing it for MSQ progression.
Someone leveling a job between level 50 and 59.
Someone has not unlocked the other Alliance raids.

Also that they're working on relics in two possible expansions. It used to be 3 before they removed Koh's quest for the aether oil.

Oh and it often comes up as one of the options in WT.

[Asari5]

its people who sign up specifically for crystal tower. the reason doesnt matter. msq, relic, boredom

[Ath192]

I am fine helping noobs and low level people run CT. I was not fine getting in CT and seeing a bunch of people putting their clothes back on. Thankfully, neither did the powers at be. Maybe I'll start using the roulette again now that it's not broken by cheesers.

All these nay saying posts are probably cheesers that don't wanna hand over the win. But its over folks. Enjoy the cheese while it lasts.

[Reinha]

If cheesing was done by this many people then a fix was sorely needed. A party of 24 can carry on even if some of the mud falls off.

After 5.3, ilvl cheese was simply to ensure that luck didn't work against them.

So they thought that without cheesing there was a decent chance they'd end up somewhere else than CT? Sounds good to me.