Alliance raid fix?

[Reinha]

Hahah, eat dirt cheesers. I'm very excited for this change.

This won't change anything. I am glad that it is happening because now people won't be able to blame ilvl cheese when they keep getting Crystal Tower.

Then why did people bother to item level cheese in the first place if according to you they were going to end up in Crystal Tower anyway? It's almost like they knew they might end up in a higher level raid. And now they will.

[Saraide]

Hahah, eat dirt cheesers. I'm very excited for this change.



Then why did people bother to item level cheese in the first place if according to you they were going to end up in Crystal Tower anyway? It's almost like they knew they might end up in a higher level raid. And now they will.

Not what jeeqbit is talking about. Cheesers will be affected by this but the impact on the rest of the roulette goers could very well be a lot lower than you think.

I've been suggesting this for years and I am very excited that ilvl cheesing is finally dead. The only way this could be better is if they un-nerfed Orbonne.

Looking forward to watching all the cheesers get destroyed in the rest of the raids.

I think they'd rather stop doing araid roulette.

[CidHeiral]

I think they'd rather stop doing araid roulette.

Then good riddance.

[Windfire]

I for one look forward to all the complaint threads with this change of "OMG AR take so long to pop now and when they do, it's a s--show!!". And a sprinkling of "OMG sq, make people do sky sea thing before they can queue for AR!"

[Doozer]

I for one look forward to all the complaint threads with this change of "OMG AR take so long to pop now and when they do, it's a s--show!!". And a sprinkling of "OMG sq, make people do sky sea thing before they can queue for AR!"

I would rather wait a bit longer to get literally anything but CT, so you won't hear complaints from people like me. And I'm used to carrying since I usually queue as healer, so I don't really care if people don't do Stone, Sky, Sea. Especially since that's for DPS and not for mechanics, by the way.

[AwesomeJr44]

I don't think that this will solve the abundance of CT raids in the roulette.

There's already a bunch of reasons why CT is the most common that have nothing to do with ilv cheesing. I think focusing on solving those problems instead would be a better idea, starting with making the other raids worth doing by making the rewards (other than exp) match the length and effort put into the raid you get. If you're level 90, the Copied Factory or Puppet's Bunker will give you the same reward as LotA or Syrcus Tower will, but it will require far more time and effort to complete. Thus, I think better rewards should be given for raids that require more investment. Whether that be more tomestones (not poetics) or relic drops, there just needs to be something of value that comes out of doing harder/longer raids. I don't think the best solution to this is to try and simply force people to do the higher level content for the same reward. People should want to do the things they get in roulettes, not feel like they have to because a system arbitrarily required them to do it. This is a similar problem to the one with Mentor roulette, where the rewards are balanced for doing a guildhest, but you have the potential to get Praetorium or an extreme trial, and both take far longer than the reward is worth. Alliance raid roulette is going to have the same problem that Mentor does. If you get a longer Alliance raid, it might be better for you to just eat the 30m ban and leave, just like mentors already do for extreme trials.

But, I suppose this does at least get the people who constantly blame the flaws with the roulette system on ilv cheesing to finally shut up, and maybe that will cause the other issues to get more attention, so that is at least a plus.

[Jojoya]

Then why did people bother to item level cheese in the first place if according to you they were going to end up in Crystal Tower anyway? It's almost like they knew they might end up in a higher level raid. And now they will.

Up until 5.3, ilvl cheese was the way to go because CT wasn't mandatory.

After 5.3, ilvl cheese was simply to ensure that luck didn't work against them.

This still isn't going to have the effect people think for a reason I didn't catch anyone else mentioning yet.

Shadows of Mhach, Return to Ivalice, YoRHa: Apocalypse and Myths of the Realm are not mandatory unlocks. Crystal Tower is the only mandatory Alliance raid.

Out of 5 characters I have that have completed the 6.0 MSQ, you will never get anything other than Crystal Tower if I queue for Alliance raid. It's not because they'll be ilvl cheesing. They'll have at least 640 ilvl equipped. It's because they've never unlocked those other Alliance raids.

So there are 3 reasons you're more likely to end up in CT:

Someone doing it for MSQ progression.
Someone leveling a job between level 50 and 59.
Someone has not unlocked the other Alliance raids.

Their right if they're willing to take the penalty for leaving.

[CidHeiral]

So there are 3 reasons you're more likely to end up in CT:

Someone doing it for MSQ progression.
Someone leveling a job between level 50 and 59.
Someone has not unlocked the other Alliance raids.

Nobody is expecting to never see CT again after this change. "More likely" is fine. "Almost every time" is not, and that's what people were irritated by. I don't think any reasonable person would be angry seeing CT every so often because some sprouts are in the group or whatever, but getting pulled in there every single time you queue and then looking around to see people putting their normal gear back on is pretty infuriating.

You also increase the risk of getting the absolute slog that are the Nier raids.

They were a slog when they were new, I really disliked Copied Factory for that reason, but they go by fairly quickly these days.

[TaleraRistain]

So there are 3 reasons you're more likely to end up in CT:

Someone doing it for MSQ progression.
Someone leveling a job between level 50 and 59.
Someone has not unlocked the other Alliance raids.

Also that they're working on relics in two possible expansions. It used to be 3 before they removed Koh's quest for the aether oil.

Oh and it often comes up as one of the options in WT.