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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Cactuar
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by tsuchii View Post
    They need to fix not just the requirement but also the rewards. Frankly, a 15min raid shouldn't give the same xp as a 1 hour+ raid.
    None of the raids take an hour barring the extremely rare disastrous run because you happen to have several new players. Even Tower, the longest raid, is under 40 minutes. It's fine to say they're too long but let's not exaggerate here.
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    Fyrebrand's Avatar
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    Friel Wyndor
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    None of the raids take an hour barring the extremely rare disastrous run because you happen to have several new players. Even Tower, the longest raid, is under 40 minutes. It's fine to say they're too long but let's not exaggerate here.
    Yeah, I just got Tower at Paradigm's Breach in roulette, so I made a mental note to time it. From first loading in to downing the final boss, it took almost exactly 40 minutes. We didn't have any full wipes, though we did have A LOT of character deaths on pretty much every boss which undoubtedly slowed things down. It would take quite a few major disasters to stretch a run out to an hour or more. Maybe when the raid first came out and everyone was new..??
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    None of the raids take an hour barring the extremely rare disastrous run because you happen to have several new players. Even Tower, the longest raid, is under 40 minutes. It's fine to say they're too long but let's not exaggerate here.
    Compared to LotA or Sycrus which are ~15 minutes...
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    Player BristolRuss's Avatar
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    J'azih Dahj
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    Moogle
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    *hypothetically*

    Queue with a level 50 'friend'.

    Friend immediately has an emergency and has to leave.

    Spot gets filled by someone queueing for an in-progress roulette.

    Profit.
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    The ARR alliance raids are still the most likely to show up, due to all the factors aside from the ilvl cheesing.

    While getting some other ones for a change can be nice... You also increase the risk of getting the absolute slog that are the Nier raids.
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    If cheesing was done by this many people then a fix was sorely needed. A party of 24 can carry on even if some of the mud falls off.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    After 5.3, ilvl cheese was simply to ensure that luck didn't work against them.
    So they thought that without cheesing there was a decent chance they'd end up somewhere else than CT? Sounds good to me.
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    vetch's Avatar
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    Discount Hrothgar
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    If cheesing was done by this many people then a fix was sorely needed. A party of 24 can carry on even if some of the mud falls off.
    That's not what's being suggested. There's a There used to be a third-party plogon that told you what the roulette duty is before you accept the queue, so people using it would see one of the slog raids and just take a strike by declining, since you can do that 3 times before even getting a penalty.
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    Last edited by vetch; 07-31-2023 at 02:46 PM.

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    Sazanami Tosho
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetch View Post
    That's not what's being suggested. There's a third-party plogon that tells you what the roulette duty is before you accept the queue, so people using it will see one of the slog raids and just take a strike by declining, since you can do that 3 times before even getting a penalty.
    There is no such tool anymore, nor has there been since Stormblood. There was a change made back then that destroyed that tool's functionality and prevented any similar tool from being made. I don't recall if it was a targeted change or part of a backend system revamp that was necessary for cross world to happen though. *shrug* I never used it so I don't have any more insight to give on it, other than, it hasn't existed for years now.
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    Na'mira Yarhu
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    its people who sign up specifically for crystal tower. the reason doesnt matter. msq, relic, boredom
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    Aries Helle
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    Excalibur
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    I am fine helping noobs and low level people run CT. I was not fine getting in CT and seeing a bunch of people putting their clothes back on. Thankfully, neither did the powers at be. Maybe I'll start using the roulette again now that it's not broken by cheesers.

    All these nay saying posts are probably cheesers that don't wanna hand over the win. But its over folks. Enjoy the cheese while it lasts.
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