Alliance raid fix?

[Jeeqbit]

It will change something. It will mean that when someone is trying to queue for a higher raid, more people will be available to be assigned to that raid through the roulette.

Meanwhile, if people have so many reasons to be direct-queuing for CT, the game will be able to group more of them together into a single run instead of getting spread out across more groups filled up with people who would be better assigned to higher raids.

Technically, yes, I just think that when this change happens, people will still keep getting Crystal Tower a lot more than they want and that people shouldn't expect this to stop.

More people have access to Crystal Tower than any other raid because it is the lowest level and also required for MSQ, but even before that just being the lowest level was a huge factor.

[HyperiusUltima]

Technically, yes, I just think that when this change happens, people will still keep getting Crystal Tower a lot more than they want and that people shouldn't expect this to stop.

More people have access to Crystal Tower than any other raid because it is the lowest level and also required for MSQ, but even before that just being the lowest level was a huge factor.

Yet I think I have a hypothetical on how they're going to structure iLv Restrictions. They'll do it by Expansion.

ARR: Crystal Tower(i90)
HW: Void Ark Series(i235)
Stormblood: Ivalice Series(i365)
Shadowbringers: Nier Raid Series(i495)
Endwalker: Myths of the Realm(i625)

This way you have to meet iLv requirements to use the Alliance Roulette.

[Avoidy]

It will change something. It will mean that when someone is trying to queue for a higher raid, more people will be available to be assigned to that raid through the roulette.

Meanwhile, if people have so many reasons to be direct-queuing for CT, the game will be able to group more of them together into a single run instead of getting spread out across more groups filled up with people who would be better assigned to higher raids.

Was just about to come in here and say this. I don't even queue alliance raid roulette anymore but it'll be nice to queue later araids for fun/glam and not have the queue take 30+ minutes in the middle of the day.

[Cach]

This won't change anything. I am glad that it is happening because now people won't be able to blame ilvl cheese when they keep getting Crystal Tower.

Yeah, came here to say this. Statistically, Crystal Tower will be your most likely result anyway.

And I know its just my personal experience, but I get a healthy amount of variety on my Alliance Roulettes (it's the only one I do every day, because I loathe 4-man stuff), to the point that I think people that complain have the worst luck in the world or have limited exposure to the roulette or are just exaggerating.

[Reinha]

Hahah, eat dirt cheesers. I'm very excited for this change.

This won't change anything. I am glad that it is happening because now people won't be able to blame ilvl cheese when they keep getting Crystal Tower.

Then why did people bother to item level cheese in the first place if according to you they were going to end up in Crystal Tower anyway? It's almost like they knew they might end up in a higher level raid. And now they will.

[Saraide]

Hahah, eat dirt cheesers. I'm very excited for this change.



Then why did people bother to item level cheese in the first place if according to you they were going to end up in Crystal Tower anyway? It's almost like they knew they might end up in a higher level raid. And now they will.

Not what jeeqbit is talking about. Cheesers will be affected by this but the impact on the rest of the roulette goers could very well be a lot lower than you think.

I've been suggesting this for years and I am very excited that ilvl cheesing is finally dead. The only way this could be better is if they un-nerfed Orbonne.

Looking forward to watching all the cheesers get destroyed in the rest of the raids.

I think they'd rather stop doing araid roulette.

[CidHeiral]

I think they'd rather stop doing araid roulette.

Then good riddance.

[Windfire]

I for one look forward to all the complaint threads with this change of "OMG AR take so long to pop now and when they do, it's a s--show!!". And a sprinkling of "OMG sq, make people do sky sea thing before they can queue for AR!"

[AwesomeJr44]

I don't think that this will solve the abundance of CT raids in the roulette.

There's already a bunch of reasons why CT is the most common that have nothing to do with ilv cheesing. I think focusing on solving those problems instead would be a better idea, starting with making the other raids worth doing by making the rewards (other than exp) match the length and effort put into the raid you get. If you're level 90, the Copied Factory or Puppet's Bunker will give you the same reward as LotA or Syrcus Tower will, but it will require far more time and effort to complete. Thus, I think better rewards should be given for raids that require more investment. Whether that be more tomestones (not poetics) or relic drops, there just needs to be something of value that comes out of doing harder/longer raids. I don't think the best solution to this is to try and simply force people to do the higher level content for the same reward. People should want to do the things they get in roulettes, not feel like they have to because a system arbitrarily required them to do it. This is a similar problem to the one with Mentor roulette, where the rewards are balanced for doing a guildhest, but you have the potential to get Praetorium or an extreme trial, and both take far longer than the reward is worth. Alliance raid roulette is going to have the same problem that Mentor does. If you get a longer Alliance raid, it might be better for you to just eat the 30m ban and leave, just like mentors already do for extreme trials.

But, I suppose this does at least get the people who constantly blame the flaws with the roulette system on ilv cheesing to finally shut up, and maybe that will cause the other issues to get more attention, so that is at least a plus.

[Jojoya]

Then why did people bother to item level cheese in the first place if according to you they were going to end up in Crystal Tower anyway? It's almost like they knew they might end up in a higher level raid. And now they will.

Up until 5.3, ilvl cheese was the way to go because CT wasn't mandatory.

After 5.3, ilvl cheese was simply to ensure that luck didn't work against them.

This still isn't going to have the effect people think for a reason I didn't catch anyone else mentioning yet.

Shadows of Mhach, Return to Ivalice, YoRHa: Apocalypse and Myths of the Realm are not mandatory unlocks. Crystal Tower is the only mandatory Alliance raid.

Out of 5 characters I have that have completed the 6.0 MSQ, you will never get anything other than Crystal Tower if I queue for Alliance raid. It's not because they'll be ilvl cheesing. They'll have at least 640 ilvl equipped. It's because they've never unlocked those other Alliance raids.

So there are 3 reasons you're more likely to end up in CT:

Someone doing it for MSQ progression.
Someone leveling a job between level 50 and 59.
Someone has not unlocked the other Alliance raids.

Their right if they're willing to take the penalty for leaving.