I'll Forever be Bronze

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

The keyword is "persistently" and the context matters. Im not so daft to run wild with ignore mark hand-outs, as I very much described it in the same post you quoted me from on how, when and for how long I use them before I remove them. I am quite aware of this TOS section.

If I am given insufficient tools to communicate, I will use whatever options available to me. Ignore marks can be set on any player, if they don't want us to be able to use it on our party at all then they should lock the marker to enemy only.

[RajNish]

The keyword is "persistently" and the context matters. Im not so daft to run wild with ignore mark hand-outs, as I very much described it in the same post you quoted me from on how, when and for how long I use them before I remove them. I am quite aware of this TOS section.

If I am given insufficient tools to communicate, I will use whatever options available to me. Ignore marks can be set on any player, if they don't want us to be able to use it on our party at all then they should lock the marker to enemy only.

Very predictable. You're just lucky with someone's spinelessness. I myself do not put marks on anyone and never did. Because in a difficult situation it demoralizes people who are already stressed and under adrenaline. The mark will not help the fool, but the one who made a mistake can be pushed to confusion.

Usually if this mark appears on me during a fight, I deliberately let myself be killed and then leave the group. If these people can win without me, let them win. During this half an hour of a penalty, I will make another glam, craft or have a nice chat with friends. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Because not a single match is worth it, especially a team of some people who do not know how to solve such situations in a different way.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Very predictable. You're just lucky with someone's spinelessness. I myself do not put marks on anyone and never did. Because in a difficult situation it demoralizes people who are already stressed and under adrenaline. The mark will not help the fool, but the one who made a mistake can be pushed to confusion.

Usually if this mark appears on me during a fight, I deliberately let myself be killed and then leave the group. If these people can win without me, let them win. During this half an hour of a penalty, I will make another glam, craft or have a nice chat with friends. And I'm sure I'm not the only one. Because not a single match is worth it, especially a team of some people who do not know how to solve such situations in a different way.

You are free to do what pleases you. It is fairly difficult to actually make me push the callout + mark macro on purpose, given the extensive requirements it takes before I do, especially in casual. For all I know you'd never qualify.

If all it takes for someone to retaliate is a single mark after being off the wrangler for 5+ solo engagements as I tell them to pull back for the x-th time and causing a match long 4v5 OR someone being mad they get it from being a dipshit spamming PUSH THE CRYSTAL like they're trying to perfect their osu APM score for over half the match and making my ears bleed, chances are I don't care they left.

Nor would I care for the exchange I'd have with a GM if someone insisted on reporting me after they "weren't spineless".

[RajNish]

You are free to do what pleases you. It is fairly difficult to actually make me push the callout + mark macro on purpose, given the extensive requirements it takes before I do, especially in casual. For all I know you'd never qualify.

If all it takes for someone to retaliate is a single mark after being off the wrangler for 5+ solo engagements as I tell them to pull back for the x-th time and causing a match long 4v5 OR someone being mad they get it from being a dipshit spamming PUSH THE CRYSTAL like they're trying to perfect their osu APM score for over half the match and making my ears bleed, chances are I don't care they left.

Nor would I care for the exchange I'd have with a GM if someone insisted on reporting me after they "weren't spineless".

No, this is not a "Push the Crystal" or "Nice job!" story. This spam can be easily ignored, although it is really annoying. I'm talking about marks due to deaths or accidental jumps or mistakes.

If you follow the fight closely, it's usually clear what's going on. Therefore, I don’t understand why put ignore marks, if everything is clear anyway.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

No, this is not a "Push the Crystal" or "Nice job!" story. This spam can be easily ignored, although it is really annoying. I'm talking about marks due to deaths or accidental jumps or mistakes.

If you follow the fight closely, it's usually clear what's going on. Therefore, I don’t understand why put ignore marks, if everything is clear anyway.

Fair enough on the first point. While I think you may already know the gist of why I do it, just to be sure - I am not talking about accidental mistakes, jumps or engagements, I mean situations like "everyone died, guy respawns earlier than us and engages 1v5 before we can even stand in our spawn, over and over". I am not so heartless to put it on very apparent newbies, but if I have a track record of playing with them and they CONSISTENTLY do this, I will do as described and also reach out to them after matches, usually to have a bit of a soft talk about last (few) matches. They usually improve upon that.

Short - I use markers as an extension of communication, not to tilt people with it or use it as a reaction when tilting myself. Granted I AM a bit of an outlier on that, so I can see the confusion when they see a marker like that in the first place.

[Valence]

2. Taunting/Abusive behaviour

・Persistently placing a negative target marker on another ally player


https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...feef4e8feec50e

Imagine if the GMs actually applied their TOS. Heh

[RajNish]

I am not talking about accidental mistakes, jumps or engagements, I mean situations like "everyone died, guy respawns earlier than us and engages 1v5 before we can even stand in our spawn, over and over". I am not so heartless to put it on very apparent newbies

Yeah, I see. Here is the real situation. I'm not a beginner and I'm doing my job. Our melee is running about dozens of yalms, dueling or chasing someone. Two enemy's melee chase me and get to me while the whole group scatter in different directions, and this was not a case of tactical retreat. Our melee is back, I'm dead and marked with a target to ignore.

This is not a story about the suicide, it's just about people using this mark for harassment. If this happens, I just leave. Because I can do my job and I can do it well enough, but getting the mark target to ignore trying to survive is already too much. You can say "Know your class", but I know my class enough to survive against at least one, but two, three is not an option.

Or when the target to ignore mark on the one who left to renew the mana. Or the target to ignore mark on who is being hunted by opponents. Or target to ignore on me when I help a hunted party member who has a LB, without which we will not win. Or target to ignore mark on a focused party member who is being crushed by two players right next to us and who for some reason no one pays attention to.

So I won't put up with that, and I think people who put up with that are spineless. If you have a boor in the party, they should be sent to hell, let them win on their own, if they can.

I noticed that there are often arguments here with the shifting of all responsibility to the player, implying that all matches are perfect and the team works smoothly, but in reality it is usually just the opposite.

About the conversations after the match. They are different. When the same melee player writes to me after the match “You are bad”, because I physically could not push the crystal (mana at zero, HP at zero) while he was having fun somewhere far away, this is also complete garbage. Because first the harassment in the match, then the harassment in private messages.

All this can be done differently. I still don't agree with the need to mark someone who kills himself over and over again. If you really want to put marks, then chain mark is much better. I agree with soft talk, but it works better without a mark, much better in my opinion. Sorry for the verbosity.

[RajNish]

Imagine if the GMs actually applied their TOS. Heh

For a long time I was harassed by one player. From target to ignore to annoying messages after matches. I wrote a several reports. I still meet this asshole in matches. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

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Yeah ok, I see where you are coming from. While I will agree to disagree with the choice of what markers to pick, I can 100% see where you are coming from - those are horrible experiences you listed and not a single one of them would even come close to me using a marking here. I feel sorry for the absolute shitshow you've had to go through, but rest assured any of these situations you listed are normal gameplay occurances, including the one where everyone scattered into the four winds. Unfortunate dispersal, but nothing to mald over.

And yeah, solo matchups are one thing, but at 2+ it highly depends what tools you have, how much HP and MP you got ready, what defensives you have, where the rest of your team is, healthpack availability and so on. This is similar to how people lack the sense to interpret logs from "the-site-that-shall-not-be-named" correctly, people with lesser game sense generally are being absolute wankers if they play like that.

The argument of shifting responsibility is actually more used to explain why healing responsibility shifted to the individual rather than be a core Healer mechanic. Players aren't perfect, let alone the intended teamplay. And yes, conversations like how you mentioned are also far from what is acceptable.

So I am sorry while I will continue to agree to disagree with my choice of tools, but I can see why you ARE so against it. Actually, if they gave us back overhead markers that were part of callouts like Focused Attack generating a 5-second countdown + burst marker, I'd like similar overhead markers if used with an ally as as a target that looks like the sprint icon for "Fall back (and regroup)". That would eliminate my reason to use the Ignore mark instantly and I'd MUCH prefer that.

[Valence]

Yeah, I see. Here is the real situation. I'm not a beginner and I'm doing my job. Our melee is running about dozens of yalms, dueling or chasing someone. Two enemy's melee chase me and get to me while the whole group scatter in different directions, and this was not a case of tactical retreat. Our melee is back, I'm dead and marked with a target to ignore.

This is not a story about the suicide, it's just about people using this mark for harassment. If this happens, I just leave. Because I can do my job and I can do it well enough, but getting the mark target to ignore trying to survive is already too much. You can say "Know your class", but I know my class enough to survive against at least one, but two, three is not an option.

Or when the target to ignore mark on the one who left to renew the mana. Or the target to ignore mark on who is being hunted by opponents. Or target to ignore on me when I help a hunted party member who has a LB, without which we will not win. Or target to ignore mark on a focused party member who is being crushed by two players right next to us and who for some reason no one pays attention to.

So I won't put up with that, and I think people who put up with that are spineless. If you have a boor in the party, they should be sent to hell, let them win on their own, if they can.

I noticed that there are often arguments here with the shifting of all responsibility to the player, implying that all matches are perfect and the team works smoothly, but in reality it is usually just the opposite.

About the conversations after the match. They are different. When the same melee player writes to me after the match “You are bad”, because I physically could not push the crystal (mana at zero, HP at zero) while he was having fun somewhere far away, this is also complete garbage. Because first the harassment in the match, then the harassment in private messages.

All this can be done differently. I still don't agree with the need to mark someone who kills himself over and over again. If you really want to put marks, then chain mark is much better. I agree with soft talk, but it works better without a mark, much better in my opinion. Sorry for the verbosity.

#RangedDPSLyfe

Also, question of curiosity, how do they message you without having you in FL?

For a long time I was harassed by one player. From target to ignore to annoying messages after matches. I wrote a several reports. I still meet this asshole in matches. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sounds like EU GMs alright. Once got pulled into Mordion with an account warning for kicking an extremely toxic troll out of NN (reason invoked: hampering on their gameplay experience).