Please buff AST

[Renathras]

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We can quibble on the details - r8pe almost always happens in private where there aren't witnesses - the point stands: You not seeing it doesn't mean it doesn't happen often, and almost certainly doesn't mean it doesn't happen EVER.

I was replying to Nizzi, not to you or anyone else.

Nizzi's specific comment I was replying to was "That doesn't happen,".

There was no "you like to pretend", as I'm not "pretending" anything. I was counting an absolute statement that said it DOESN'T happen. If it happens in even ONE case, that absolute statement is false. You're engaging in ad hominems "from the same sort of player", and you're attacking SOMEONE ELSE'S CLAIM by attacking me as a proxy. Do you not see how antagonistic and off-putting that is?

If you have a problem with Zeastria's statement - maybe you should quote Zeastria's post and make your reply to Zeastria?

When you attack someone who wasn't part of it, didn't say those things, and was responding to a far more narrow thing, it makes it look like you're out to get me specifically, even though there's zero reason to here. And no "past discussions", not to mention I can't even think of the last time this came up, and I generally couch my statements to be more specific and less overblown as you claim when talking about this specific issue.

You really want to pick a fight over this? I'm not the one pushing the issue. I'm not the one pushing conjecture as fact. You're supporting someone who made an absolutely false absolute statement. Stop it please. You're a generally reasonable person, this isn't a fight you should have picked.

[IDontPetLalas]

We can quibble on the details - r8pe almost always happens in private where there aren't witnesses - the point stands: You not seeing it doesn't mean it doesn't happen often, and almost certainly doesn't mean it doesn't happen EVER.

I was replying to Nizzi, not to you or anyone else.

Nizzi's specific comment I was replying to was "That doesn't happen,".

There was no "you like to pretend", as I'm not "pretending" anything. I was counting an absolute statement that said it DOESN'T happen. If it happens in even ONE case, that absolute statement is false. You're engaging in ad hominems "from the same sort of player", and you're attacking SOMEONE ELSE'S CLAIM by attacking me as a proxy. Do you not see how antagonistic and off-putting that is?

If you have a problem with Zeastria's statement - maybe you should quote Zeastria's post and make your reply to Zeastria?

When you attack someone who wasn't part of it, didn't say those things, and was responding to a far more narrow thing, it makes it look like you're out to get me specifically, even though there's zero reason to here. And no "past discussions", not to mention I can't even think of the last time this came up, and I generally couch my statements to be more specific and less overblown as you claim when talking about this specific issue.

You really want to pick a fight over this? I'm not the one pushing the issue. I'm not the one pushing conjecture as fact. You're supporting someone who made an absolutely false absolute statement. Stop it please. You're a generally reasonable person, this isn't a fight you should have picked.

Typically I don't care about your drama however your analogy in that first line is really disgusting for any true victims and is really out of line. So much drama here, why not just walk away without responding. No one's attacking you.

No need to play the victim here.

[Renathras]

Typically I don't care about your drama however your analogy in that first line is really disgusting for any true victims and is really out of line. So much drama here, why not just walk away without responding. No one's attacking you.

No need to play the victim here.

Knock it off. It's not "disgusting", the point was obvious - there are things that happen in reality that not everyone is aware of. THAT was the point.

Instead of admitting reality, you two are both trying to get a "win by technicality". The worst part is, I only brought it up in the first place because I was wrongly attacked - yet again - here.

Replace it with "robbery". Replace it with "car accident". Replace it with "wrongful arrest". Replace it with "audited by the IRS". It literally doesn't matter, and you trying to stolen valor hide behind victims and "dishonoring them" to avoid the point is just disgusting and is really out of line.

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Now two of you have attacked me. So yes, people are attacking me.

Sebazy replied to ME, not the other poster, even though she was contesting the other poster's point, and doubled down on it.

You replied to ME to call me "disgusting" and "out of line" and "play(ing) the victim". Those are attacks, in case you were unaware.

Maybe you could have just walked away (or by) without responding? Unlike me, who has been attacked, no one was attacking YOU, yet you felt inclined to reply.

God this place. We'll go some number of days with no issues, then this same nonsense BS will start again. Usually when someone decides they have a wild hair and decide to "call me out" on something, then when I don't immediately crumple to them being wrong "calling me out", the dogpile starts. Every ducking time, exact same playbook. You guys need to get new material.

And the best part is, no one is actually addressing Zeastria. It's almost like there IS an unspoken "attack Ren on sight" rule, "...even when Ren is just agreeing with someone else, go after Ren instead no matter what, even if it means making beyond the pale excuses to do so."

And here I thought people were turning over a new leaf.

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Seriously, all you had to do, IDPL, was take you rown advice and just walk away without responding.

Unlike me, you weren't attacked unfairly.

All Sebazy had to do was say "Sorry, Ren, I misunderstood. My bad." or just walk away without responding, as I wasn't wrong to begin with.

BOTH OF YOU failed to take your advice.

But you want me, the victim, to be the bigger man and turn the other cheek as you both attack me?

I'm sorry, but no. As I said before, I CANNOT trust this community to call you guys out for wrongfully attacking me nor to defend my honor or character. Doesn't happen. So I have to defend myself because literally no one else will. No one else will call out the wrongful call-outs. No one else will point out "Ren is actually right and was talking about the statement that it never every happens". No one. If EVEN ONE PERSON would do it, then I COULD sometimes walk away without responding, knowing that at least one other person here will defend people like me being wrongly attacked. But not one person has the character to do so.

So I have to.

What you're doing is telling a victim that they should just get over it and move on and let their victimizer continue to victimize them.

That's what is disgusting.

Trying to join a dogpile on the victim is wrong, and you do it every time. Maybe next time, take your own advice and, if you haven't been addressed by anyone, just walk away without responding. Because unlike me, no one's attacking you.

[Sebazy]

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Uh I think you're misunderstanding my point here. And meh, I'm being civil no? I've chewed you out far harder in the past, over the 3dps vs 2dps dungeons for example. It's an interesting discussion, frankly far more interesting than Lisa suggesting that ASTs are too weak at least. I don't care if it was aimed at me or not. If I see someone saying something that's clearly incorrect and I feel I have either the knowledge or examples on hand to correct them, then I'm going to do so. Discussion and debate != fighting FYI.

The example you use is meaningless, your first example above is routinely confirmed with DNA and clothing fibre analysis. As for the rest, even if you're lucky enough to not have experienced them first hand, It takes me all of 30 seconds to find a robbery, car crash and wrongful arrest on YouTube. These are things that happen often enough that they are well documented.

Whilst recorded and documented examples of 'bad behaviour' in Ffxiv aren't quite as prevalent, if you need to hand wave away the tales from DF thread, lets go to YouTube and try to find actual gameplay videos calling out healers then. First search = Ffxiv terrible healer

ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkimGCu9ReY - (Gonna break the link for this one, might want to mute it if you watch it!) - Old school, the title is also a little unfair, the healer appears to have a broken or super low level weapon equipped for what it's worth with their benefic IIs healing for less than the SMNs Physics, the Nin is clearly asleep at the wheel. So this is just someone venting about what is a comically bad dungeon run all round. If the healer sorted their weapon out I imagine it would have been fine. Note that despite all the profanity, the guy isn't grumbling about the healer spamming heals. It's about the heals doing nothing and the healer having no spatial awareness to boot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzjSMEcqekI - Ohoh what's this, it's a recent video of someone calling out their co-healer over GCD heals... Except they are calling them out because they aren't GCD healing enough, oh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0nnp7m7c1Q - A self upload critique video of someone who is seemingly pretty new to healing. Bucket loads of errors top to bottom: Bad choice of stance, slow reactions, poor targeting, poor triage choices and the dps in the group weren't exactly making his life easier with chains either. Basically the wrong dungeon to be learning on the job, that boss was evil if people didn't break chains fast. But importantly to us, still no dice on finding any complaints about too much GCD healing.

Let's search for FFXIV Worst healer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQrY5ghs0M4 - It's another video complaining about a healer not healing and having a fight with the tank.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXDnSyx07RI - BLM pulling agro, tank and healer premade getting grouchy over it and letting the blm die then kicking.

I think at this point youtube's not going to turn up a vod of anyone chewing out a healer over using their GCD heals too much.

Let's see what google says when I search for ffxiv healer gcd healing too much

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._to_gcd_heals/ - First result is a reddit hit, and again, it's someone complaining that healers have an aversion to GCD healing, not that they are abusing them too much:

'I'm not talking about properly using oGCD heals to keep the party healthy and occasionally casting a spell or two, I'm talking about using all of them and just flat out refusing to remember Cure is a thing. It's not like they're tunnel vision-ing on their own DPS because some of them don't even! Hell, some healers just refuse to raise others unless Swiftcast is up...what.'

The responses range from 'if you died to your own mistakes, I'm not raising you without swiftcast either' to 'are you sure they aren't using afflatus?'. I don't see a single complaint about healers GCD healing too much. Next!

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...white_mage_in/ - This one's a little bit more interesting, finally we get something relevant!

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ge_in/jiehfiz/ This part of the thread really sums the whole thing up in a nutshell:

Healy healer states that they would rather spend their GCDs healing and doesn't understand why some others are so adverse to it.

Raidy healer responds pointing out the optimisation benefits of trying to get healing done with oGCDs first in the pov from someone who likely progs savage or may even just be habitual try hard.

Rando responder jumps in with the regular '1 GCD per raid wide isn't going to hurt' retort.

Raidy healer responds clarifying that basically GCD healing isn't bad, but it can be wasteful and inefficient.

IMHO taking in these sorts of discussions without understanding the context and actual expectations in game is what gives people like Zeastria raid anxiety. They are judging themselves to theory crafter ideals that get waved around places like here, reddit and the balance without understanding the fact that these are ideals, goals and standards to aim for rather than a level everyone expects little Timmy to be able to play to.

The TLDR of all of this is that people aren't complaining about healers that are GCD healing a bit too much. They are complaining about healers with missing/broken gear, they are complaining about healers that are afk, playing like a bot or doing meme worthy things like spamming Medica II endlessly. I can dig up threads griping about all of these things, but I can't find a single thread genuinely chewing out a healer in game that's using their GCD heals too often without it generally being rooted in something else like the healer letting them die, doing 0 DPS, failing mechanics or just being AFK.

I'm not going to sit here and say that it never happens, but I am going to say that I suspect that you're more likely to get moaned at over your choice of glamour, name or race than you are if you cast Cure II a few to many times.

In that regard, Zeastria's comment is pretty solidly untrue IMO.