Positivity!

[Iscah]

There's nothing wrong with being positive, but from what I can gather, there's 3 forms of positivity on the forums right now. Let's show an example:

Tom says: "I love island sanctuary! It's fun to gather all the things to build up my own island and it's very fun to decorate my island to make it unique!"
Bob says: "I love island sanctuary, if anyone doesn't like it, they're probably a raider that only cares about savage and ultimates."
John says: "Endwalker is highly rated across all platforms, if you don't like it, perhaps you should quit and find another game."

Fourth type: Jack says "you've made multiple threads detailing why you dislike the game and regularly make posts in other threads along those lines, while making little mention of what you do like. Perhaps you should find a game more to your tastes."

Jack is not John, though both have fair points – on the one hand, lots of people like the game as it is; on the other, an individual is showing constant dislike of what the other people like.

It is not toxic to suggest that the most likely solution is for the one person to find a different game than to keep expecting this game which they do not like at a deep level will suddenly pivot into something they do, and risk alienating the large number of people who enjoy the game as it currently exists.

Also, nobody gives the "go play another game" line over a single disagreement. People don't tell me to go play another game because I'm griping about Island Sanctuary or whatever. It's only when someone is consistently negative about the big picture of the game that you do have to start wondering why the person is still here and whether they're for some reason stuck in a mental rut that every game should appeal to them personally, when actually it's up to the player to find a game they like.

[Semirhage]

Fourth type: Jack says "you've made multiple threads detailing why you dislike the game and regularly make posts in other threads along those lines, while making little mention of what you do like. Perhaps you should find a game more to your tastes."

Jack is not John, though both have fair points – on the one hand, lots of people like the game as it is; on the other, an individual is showing constant dislike of what the other people like.

It is not toxic to suggest that the most likely solution is for the one person to find a different game than to keep expecting this game which they do not like at a deep level will suddenly pivot into something they do, and risk alienating the large number of people who enjoy the game as it currently exists.

Also, nobody gives the "go play another game" line over a single disagreement. People don't tell me to go play another game because I'm griping about Island Sanctuary or whatever. It's only when someone is consistently negative about the big picture of the game that you do have to start wondering why the person is still here and whether they're for some reason stuck in a mental rut that every game should appeal to them personally, when actually it's up to the player to find a game they like.

Nah, Jack is usually Bob. A toxic casual constantly, constantly defending the stupidification and lobotomization of job and encounter design, sneering that this game's spiral downward into what it is now is akshully a good thing, and if you don't like it then git out.

[Aravell]

Fourth type: Jack says "you've made multiple threads detailing why you dislike the game and regularly make posts in other threads along those lines, while making little mention of what you do like. Perhaps you should find a game more to your tastes."

Jack is not John, though both have fair points – on the one hand, lots of people like the game as it is; on the other, an individual is showing constant dislike of what the other people like.

It is not toxic to suggest that the most likely solution is for the one person to find a different game than to keep expecting this game which they do not like at a deep level will suddenly pivot into something they do, and risk alienating the large number of people who enjoy the game as it currently exists.

Also, nobody gives the "go play another game" line over a single disagreement. People don't tell me to go play another game because I'm griping about Island Sanctuary or whatever. It's only when someone is consistently negative about the big picture of the game that you do have to start wondering why the person is still here and whether they're for some reason stuck in a mental rut that every game should appeal to them personally, when actually it's up to the player to find a game they like.

But why does Jack feel the need to tell other individuals to quit the game? He's not spreading positivity by doing that, he's attempting to remove negativity. If someone wants to give criticism, what's wrong with that exactly? As long as someone is just giving criticism and not trolling or attacking anyone directly, who are they harming exactly? Why does Jack feel the need to tell them to go away? Jack at this point is essentially trying to gatekeep the game from other people who he thinks has nothing they like about the game.

[Theodric]

It is not toxic to suggest that the most likely solution is for the one person to find a different game than to keep expecting this game which they do not like at a deep level will suddenly pivot into something they do, and risk alienating the large number of people who enjoy the game as it currently exists.

I'd say it very much is a form of toxicity, especially when it comes from posters who try to insinuate either intentionally or unintentionally that vocal critics of the game are never positive about anything. There's plenty of things in the game both past and present that even vocal critics point to as things they are fond of and would like to see more of. Interestingly, quite often the ones criticising them in turn at best have no interest in such elements themselves and at worst actively ask for such elements to be removed from the game entirely.

You see this quite often with regards to the more nuanced aspects of the game's story, the presence of stakes and lasting consequences of the game's protagonists and of course content along the lines of Eureka and Bozja. Or particular aesthetics for character designs.

That aside, the only obligation that anyone has when posting here is to follow the established terms of service. The game attracts players from many different countries, backgrounds, cultures, belief systems and personality types. As such, no specific individual is going to be everybody's particular cup of tea - and that's just the way of the world in general.

I, myself, have met many interesting people through this very forum over the years and it's worth noting that just because they use the forum primarily to leave feedback that doesn't mean they're always negative. They're just using the place for its supposed primary purpose.

Just some food for thought, I guess. Take it or leave it.

[Stormpeaks]

Fourth type: Jack says "you've made multiple threads detailing why you dislike the game and regularly make posts in other threads along those lines, while making little mention of what you do like. Perhaps you should find a game more to your tastes."

Jack is not John, though both have fair points – on the one hand, lots of people like the game as it is; on the other, an individual is showing constant dislike of what the other people like.

It is not toxic to suggest that the most likely solution is for the one person to find a different game than to keep expecting this game which they do not like at a deep level will suddenly pivot into something they do, and risk alienating the large number of people who enjoy the game as it currently exists.

Also, nobody gives the "go play another game" line over a single disagreement. People don't tell me to go play another game because I'm griping about Island Sanctuary or whatever. It's only when someone is consistently negative about the big picture of the game that you do have to start wondering why the person is still here and whether they're for some reason stuck in a mental rut that every game should appeal to them personally, when actually it's up to the player to find a game they like.

So let me get this straight, if I post in multiple threads about how terrible the content in the game is, and that I dont like the new dungeon types (variant etc), maybe I should just quit, no matter if I like housing and hanging out with my friends and spending a lot of time in the game with them, and also that I like gposes and glamours, even tho I still like multiple parts of the game, I should just quit since I am complaining about different parts of the game that I heavily dislike

[CNitsah]

Also, nobody gives the "go play another game" line over a single disagreement. People don't tell me to go play another game because I'm griping about Island Sanctuary or whatever. It's only when someone is consistently negative about the big picture of the game that you do have to start wondering why the person is still here and whether they're for some reason stuck in a mental rut that every game should appeal to them personally, when actually it's up to the player to find a game they like.

Do you even read the forum. That line always get used. Even in opinion related to the cut of storylines like the trials one or the relic storylines, which are basically complains about removing things that were there since HW and ARR, and for the worst in both case. You tell "Yeah, I think puting trials in arr hurt the story telling, it isn't as guenine it was when separated" or "Yeah, the Manderville relics storyline is an excuse of a story, it was better before", and you get labeled as a "hater" and that "haters can leave if you don't like it"... You don't get need to be good at logic to draw the lines. The mix-up is everywhere. I know it's not everyone, but a freaking part of the community has cult mentality that go defensive as soon as you critic FFXIV or Yoshi-P (I could add Soken there, but seriously, who really has big grips against Soken).

[Iscah]

Do you even read the forum.

No, I amassed my tragically high post count without ever stopping to read anyone else's...

But seriously. I complain about stuff – details more than big picture – and I haven't been told to leave.

Someday I will leave of my own volition at whatever point the game stops appealing to me, or I feel like I've done everything I wanted to do in it.