Positivity!

[Aravell]

Just as we don't need threads that are negative for the sake of being negative, we also don't need threads that are positive for the sake of being positive. People come to the forums when they have complaints, this is natural. Not everyone that's negative is a troll, people have legitimate complaints too.

[Deo14]

People come to the forums when they have complaints, this is natural. Not everyone that's negative is a troll, people have legitimate complaints too.

Problem is that after some time, legitimate people seem to give up on constructive criticism since it seems like we're screaming into void, so they just quietly leave, while trolls stay.

[Iscah]

You figured out what the forums are meant to be for, voicing your complaints and criticisms about the game.

Forums are for discussing the game – what you like as well as you don't like.

The devs need to hear what people are enjoying about the game, not just what they want changed.

And fans (or at least the ones who enjoy talking about the thing they like with other fans) need a place to gather and do that.

That's what the forum should be for. Not just the negative reactions without the other side, or how can the devs know what the majority want?

If nine people like a thing and the tenth person complains that it should be changed, the devs should ideally be aware of all ten people's opinion before deciding whether to change the thing.

Unfortunately the lack of moderation – perhaps in the idealistic intent of letting everyone have an equal say – has just frustrated and driven off a lot of the previous forumites who were here to talk about all aspects of the game and not just their grievances with it.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Remember how someone said that Positive Threads Never Get Attacked, but only Negative Threads do?....lol

[Antharaes]

Remember how someone said that Positive Threads Never Get Attacked, but only Negative Threads do?....lol

And they even question his sincerity. I do like to come to the forum, to sometimes speak up, rattle a cage or yank a chain every now and then, but some of those people, should have their internet permanently removed.

[SomeGuy22]

And they even question his sincerity.

Not a strange reaction when the OP lists some of the most common complaints in the forum and then somewhat dismisses them (to OP, not even accusing that it was on purpose, it's just very easy to read it that way). I guarantee you that the response to this thread would be extremely different if it looked like it wasn't made in retaliation to negative posts.

Two positive threads off the top of my head that have been very well-received were the "What do you guys do for fun" one that was posted recently (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/483942), and the "Positive Feedback" one posted soon after 6.4's launch (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/482641), and both of them were just that. Regular topics with non-inflammatory opening posts. I struggle to think of a more vocal critic than Stormpeaks, for example, and they left positive feedback in both.

[Antharaes]

Not a strange reaction when the OP lists some of the most common complaints in the forum and then somewhat dismisses them (to OP, not even accusing that it was on purpose, it's just very easy to read it that way). I guarantee you that the response to this thread would be extremely different if it looked like it wasn't made in retaliation to negative posts.

Two positive threads off the top of my head that have been very well-received were the "What do you guys do for fun" one that was posted recently (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/483942), and the "Positive Feedback" one posted soon after 6.4's launch (https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/482641), and both of them were just that. Regular topics with non-inflammatory opening posts. I struggle to think of a more vocal critic than Stormpeaks, for example, and they left positive feedback in both.

Thanks for those links, will have a look at those when I need to wait again for the paint to dry...literally.

[Stormpeaks]

And they even question his sincerity. I do like to come to the forum, to sometimes speak up, rattle a cage or yank a chain every now and then, but some of those people, should have their internet permanently removed.

Probably because as Awesomejr44 posted above it wasnt entirely genuine.

Very valid points, I guess the reason i felt motivated to post was damage control for the forum mods / devs looking. I dont want them to think that "everyone hates their game" or "everything they do is wrong", or "everyone just wants to complain lets ignore all forum feedback". And I wanted to share that there are people who do love the game especially if any sprouts are looking at the forums and feel overwhelmed from said negativity and begin questioning their game of choice. But yeah I should of worded my statements better, it does look like my pro's overright people's cons when it doesn't.

Guess I dont need my internet removed in the end, eh ?

[Zachia]

Probably because as Awesomejr44 posted above it wasnt entirely genuine.



Guess I dont need my internet removed in the end, eh ?

I didn't say your internet needed removed. You didn't read all my posts. But I guess making sure sprouts / tired forum moderators some positivity / damage control is not a sincere thing and i guess i should be burned at the stake? I still see people mentioning these patches as lack luster with the story and i'm just not seeing it. What it seems like is just general burn out. I mean why is it ok for you to come at me and mock me at first and have all these people just hate on me? Isn't it hypocritical? Even if my thread is "positive toxicity" while other posters threads and comments are just "pure toxicity"?

However for the other people who aren't mocking / insulting, even if you disagree I thank you for debating with respect.

[Nizzi]

Nothing comes across as more disingenuous for praise when it has to be justified by bringing up WoW or another game and saying that "this game is better in every way!"
Is it impossible for former WoW players to discuss anything without constantly bringing up the fact that they played WoW? XIV does have a lot that is worthy of praise, and also a lot that is worthy of criticism. Having to put down another game that you clearly enjoyed enough to spend 16+ years on to say that you like this one is anything other than genuine, in my opinion. It comes across more like you're really trying to stick it to Blizzard more than anything.

Like it or not, this is where the developers tell people to come to give complaints, criticism and feedback towards the game. "Everything is awesome and amazing and so much better than WoW!" is equally as unhelpful to the developers as "Everything sucks and Yoshi-P is a hack and needs to be fired and SE should be destroyed". I come here to voice my complaints and criticisms towards healer gameplay as someone who took Yoshi-P up on his "go do Ultimate" response to healer feedback and still find that everything I was thinking before is still true even after clearing DSR. That's literally all I care about, and I'll continue giving my feedback until I unsub or they revert this terrible design philosophy towards this role. Does that mean I hate this game and am always negative towards it? Of course not.

You also say this:

Maybe they are exclusively raiders and ignore the 80% of the other stuff in the game.

which, no offense, shows that you really don't understand the broader complaints from players towards this expansion because raid content has been the vast majority of the meaty content that has come out this expansion. Most of the people complaining about having nothing to do aren't the people who've done DSR, TOP, Pandaemonium or Criterion, they're the people who don't want to or cannot put in the time for raiding. Outside of job design, "raiders" have had it good this expansion relative to other groups. It's the people in the middle who didn't start playing in the past year or two that don't have content with longevity being designed for them. If someone found a majority of their playtime in content like Bozja or Eureka, they don't have anything for them this expansion.

For me, almost all of my playtime this expansion is spent raiding Savage/Ultimate so I'm not too bummed that there's not a Bozja/Eureka this expansion, nor do I find Island Sanctuary or the relics upsetting, but I can see how players that don't enjoy raiding but did enjoy a grind would find it upsetting and I agree with them. They had what they liked taken from them and were given nothing in return, and that's definitely worth being upset about. These expansions last a long time, and "just wait for the next expansion" basically means "wait for 2-3 years and maybe things will change."

As for all the clearly bait/troll threads that constantly litter this forum at this point; the people who flood in to circlejerk and post about how "totally not trolled" and how aware they are that it's a troll thread and how blocked the OP is are worse than the people making them, because they're giving the threads life and constant activity. The threads are clearly doing their purpose no matter how self aware people think they are being by making their 45th snarky comments about it or the OP being an RMT bot.