Positivity!

[Fawkes]

Most of the people complaining about having nothing to do aren't the people who've done DSR, TOP, Pandaemonium or Criterion, they're the people who don't want to or cannot put in the time for raiding. Outside of job design, "raiders" have had it good this expansion relative to other groups. It's the people in the middle who didn't start playing in the past year or two that don't have content with longevity being designed for them. If someone found a majority of their playtime in content like Bozja or Eureka, they don't have anything for them this expansion.

It's funny how you described me pretty well, except that I'm perpetually inundated with things to do to the point where I have a backlog that I'll never get to since there's constantly something new added every patch and the best time to do a thing is always right when it's added. Like ocean fishing for example, they just added a new route and I feel like I already "missed the boat" on getting the new titles. And since I did spend most of my time in Eureka when it was new, that means I never got everything I wanted out of Heaven on High. Patch 4.35 added HoH and Patch 4.36 a month later added Eureka Pagos, which was just too much content all at once.

[Minarisweet]

The negative nancys around here have good points and I hate that I can't argue against them without someone else making snarky remarks that I can upvote its so unfair.

[MonsutaMan]

I do not understand it outside that "people come to the forums to vent and complain".

There is this notion, that people who criticize a game are "Negativity....."

but in actuality, you have to pay to be here.....

...So, I assume they are simply passionate, & really want the best for the game; otherwise they would spend the $14 on Porn or something.......

[Antharaes]

There is this notion, that people who criticize a game are "Negativity....."

but in actuality, you have to pay to be here.....

...So, I assume they are simply passionate, & really want the best for the game; otherwise they would spend the $14 on Porn or something.......

Limsa..nuff said.

[Archeron]

People come to these forums to leave feedback, positive or negative on the game for developers to consider. Forum dwellers come in to derail those threads and the result is no useful feedback being left behind.

If you like something about the game, people immiediatly remind you that the game is trash. If you don't like something about the game, people will call you a negative nancy and tell you to "unsub".

The fights on every single thread are the reason they ignore our forums. A lot of people here have the maturity of a child, and take someone disagreeing with them as a personal insult. The forums really needs to be modernized, and we need moderators to do their job. Until then, welcome to the Wild West.

[Theodric]

People come to these forums to leave feedback, positive or negative on the game for developers to consider. Forum dwellers come in to derail those threads and the result is no useful feedback being left behind.

If you like something about the game, people immiediatly remind you that the game is trash. If you don't like something about the game, people will call you a negative nancy and tell you to "unsub".

The fights on every single thread are the reason they ignore our forums. A lot of people here have the maturity of a child, and take someone disagreeing with them as a personal insult. The forums really needs to be modernized, and we need moderators to do their job. Until then, welcome to the Wild West.

I don't think that's the reason. Even when the forum was less chaotic than it is at present this place was still largely ignored with community representatives posting to introduce themselves and then never showing up again.

I made a thread requesting more engagement, as can be found here:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...epresentatives

This place, despite its flaws, really isn't anywhere near as bad as the likes of reddit or twitter when it comes to voicing feedback. Especially the latter, where it's all too easy to scroll down the comments to official posts and see some highly inappropriate commentary and images or get viciously attacked over simple personal tastes.

Any issues related to chaos due to a lack of moderation is absolutely not the fault of regular forum goers.

[AwesomeJr44]

And they even question his sincerity.

Yes. And this is why:

I guess the reason i felt motivated to post was damage control for the forum mods / devs looking.

It really does seem like people can't make positive threads without having ulterior motives. People don't make these kinds of threads because they like the game, they make them either for damage control (aka suppressing opposing opinions) or to own the 'haters'.

[Archeron]

I don't think that's the reason. Even when the forum was less chaotic than it is at present this place was still largely ignored with community representatives posting to introduce themselves and then never showing up again.

I made a thread requesting more engagement, as can be found here:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...epresentatives

This place, despite its flaws, really isn't anywhere near as bad as the likes of reddit or twitter when it comes to voicing feedback. Especially the latter, where it's all too easy to scroll down the comments to official posts and see some highly inappropriate commentary and images or get viciously attacked over simple personal tastes.

Any issues related to chaos due to a lack of moderation is absolutely not the fault of regular forum goers.

As much as I'd like to NOT blame the regular forum goers... They're responsible for a large part of the forums being the way they are.

Anyone who comes here as a fresh forum member will quickly learn that they can expect to be insulted, and ridiculed for giving open honest feedback on what they like, or dislike about the game. You hardly see anyone stepping in to defend them. So the forum goers we want will just go to twitter, and reddit instead, leaving us with a lot of pitiful people who can do little more than throw bitter insults around, engage with people in bad faith, and are generally incapable of providing any intelligent, or coherent arguements for what they believe. That's not a good first impression, and to outsiders this forum would not be worth investing resources into. So, we sit here, shouting into a useless void that we ourselves are partially responsible for.

If you ask me, it's 50/50 blame on both the community who fostered this toxic attitude for years on the forums, and Square Enix for their complete lack of interest in keeping the forums a productive place to discuss the game, and leave them useful feedback.

The solution? Moderation needs to come in here, reinforce the rules, and sweep frequent offenders straight into the rubbish bin. Then I'd love for there to be more engagement between developers/representitives, in an atmosphere where people won't have to deal with the bitterness that has taken root in these forums. But for now that's a fever dream.

[Ivtrix]

Hey Siri please set the “pat ourselves on the back” counter to 2 please

[Jeeqbit]

I see a lot of negativity on this forum for some reason. I do not understand it outside that "people come to the forums to vent and complain".

Correct on both counts.

Sometimes I just feel like i'm drowning in content and it is glorious!

But you are newer to the game. You said you had played WoW for 16 years, so imagine someone who has played FFXIV for 10 years. They have done all these things you described in that 10 years and now feel bored.

However, I do agree with you, that I don't get through even the new content as fast as they apparently do, because I still have PvP to grind (I've put this off), more Eureka Orthos to do, more raiding and ocean fishing to do, so maybe your idea that they don't do all of the content or don't try to get all of the new rewards such as mounts has some truth to it.

I don't see how people think Endwalker is bad, let alone the story or gameplay. I don't understand how the class mechanics are "2 min meta" / "bland, boring, and the same".

I agree about Endwalker being good, but the people criticizing the class mechanics in the way you described are not wrong and here's why.

Even SE has admitted they altered all the jobs to work within 2 minute bursts in statements and patch notes. But this is also obvious. Jobs that had varying bursts that began at different times (30s, 60s, 120s, 180s) or no burst at all and just had sustained damage the whole time, were changed to be bursty jobs at 60s or 120s, and therefore felt more similar.

Now the jobs may be more varied and different than what you are familiar with in WoW (I don't play WoW), but when people say they are the same, they mean how similar they have got compared to ARR and Heavensward.

• For example, Warrior had a cone AoE that behaved as a sort of positional. You had to aim it correctly so it hit all of the enemeis, or some would be missed. Now it's just a circle AoE like all other tank combos. Paladin had a sustained and varied 60s rotation but has now changed to be a 60s burst similar to Gunbreaker's to the point you can setup your hotbar almost the same way.
• Mitigation would be more unique (but ultimately useless). For example, we had Awareness that nullified critical hits (useful in big dungeon pulls, but not exactly your heaviest cooldown). Raw Intuition parried physical attacks... but not magic. Foresight increased physical defense by 20%... but not magic defense.
• Mercy Stroke was an attack you could only use when the enemy was below 20%. Paladins were one of the only jobs with a knockback immunity that also cured bind and heavy (in addition, Hallowed Ground or Holm Gang also worked for knockback immunity in many cases).
• Provoke was uniquely a Paladin ability, unless players unlocked Paladin and cross-classed it. Paladin had a proc called Shield Swipe, an ability called flash to get the attention of enemies (instead of having an aoe attack). Paladins had an ability called Convalescence to increase HP restored.
• Paladins reduced physical damage from enemies with their combo, while Dark Knights and Monks reduced magic damage with their combo.
• Dark Knights used to be the only tank with a gap closer.

The point is, all tanks have a 2-button aoe combo now and all of them are circle AoEs. All tanks have had those useless but unique abilities removed in favor of ones that mitigate both physical and magic attacks, and useless attacks removed, or merged together to become role actions (such as their stuns), and damage reduction combo effects were all merged into a role ability called Reprisal that reduces all types of damage from an enemy. All jobs have knockback immunity now, not just Paladin. All tanks have a gap closer, not just Dark Knight, which reduced some of its unique appeal.

When people say jobs have become the same, this is the sort of thing they mean. All of them have a familiar aoe combo that works the same. None of them have unique combo effects like they used to that could synergize together or be strategically paired. All of them have a gap closer, so you don't need to choose one job over another.