Quote Originally Posted by Renathras View Post
Ty just seems completely resistant to the idea there are people that play FFXIV that don't inherently enjoy complex technical mastery, skill expression, and/or that aren't super competitive "by the bootstraps" types that will rise to any task with a drive that is kindled in them merely by catching a whiff of a challenge. That...or he thinks that such people are...beneath concern/contempt. I don't want to put words in his mouth nor interpret his position in a negative light, so I'm operating on "doesn't understand" instead of "does understand and is being intentionally demeaning and only feigning obtuse". But if that's the case, it means someone else has to explain it, since to me, Eorzian_username's post made it super clear, especially the specific points I drew attention to. I'm not sure how to more concisely and simply explain it than that.

It's kind of like a person in a wheelchair looking at some stairs and a person saying to them "If you want to get to the second floor bad enough, you'll force yourself to walk up the stairs". For some people it's not possible.

Likewise, maybe there's a second person looking at the nearby elevator and the same person in the first saying to them "You just want to be lazy and get something for no effort".

I just don't know any other way to say this since none of my attempts seem to get through. I'm not sure if it's that he doesn't want to understand, or if it's just the way I'm explaining isn't compatible with the way he processes information...

Hence, I'm asking the friendly community here that wants to act in the spirit of cordiality to help out. \o/ Don't let me down, folks.
I don't think he's being completely resistant, it looks to me like the two of you have a fundamentally different view of the matter stemming from your personal views on job design. You seem to believe that people get frustrated when they people tell them that they're merely average because people want to be the best that they can be. Ty seems to believe that certain people are happy no matter how good they are, as long as they reach their goal, whether that be 30%, 47% or 73% efficiency, they set that goal and are happy if they reach it.

I think this stems from the difference between what you and Ty believe a well-designed job is supposed to be. You believe that a well-designed job is something that anyone can pick up and master by reading tooltips. Ty seems to believe that a well-designed job is something that gives someone room for improvement and cannot be immediately mastered. This fundamental disconnect is probably preventing you both from agreeing.

Of course, I could also be completely off-base in my observations.

EDIT: I don't claim to speak for either of you, these are just my observations, so please take them only as such.