Just get rid of ranked

[Towa-Musa]

Huh? I mean difficulty is very subjective. Someone who clears Ultimates would probably say they are easy just like I would say getting to top 100 is easy. Also, I never mentioned anything about the difficulty of each of the content, I am speaking solely about the time investment required to "clear" each of these pieces of content and the playerbase they are designed for.

In another lens, would it make sense for a casual PvE player who mostly does Island Sanctuary, chocobo racing, and has great difficulty completing daily roulettes to say "all ultimates should be deleted because the only difficulty is getting random people in party finder/discord and installing illegal cheating add-ons?"

It still does not change my point, not to mention i doubt they're gonna make anymore ultimates BECAUSE of the cheating scandal lol
i will again explain my point to you in a way you can understand

Yes they should just get rid of ranked because it literally has nothing to offer that casual mode does not already have
No you cannot compare Ultimate raids to ranked because:
1. its pve and you fight against a massive damage sponge and theres no fomo
2. ultimate raids respect your time investment, ranked does not.

[Valence]

2. ultimate raids respect your time investment, ranked does not.

What the heck? Ultimates respecting my time? This has to be one of the types of content in game that is literally constructed around artificial difficulty based on 20min long bosses where you literally have to replay 10-15min of the fight every time you want to prog further in the latest phases...

And that's supposed to be respecting my time?

[Towa-Musa]

What the heck? Ultimates respecting my time? This has to be one of the types of content in game that is literally constructed around artificial difficulty based on 20min long bosses where you literally have to replay 10-15min of the fight every time you want to prog further in the latest phases...

And that's supposed to be respecting my time?

Okay let me ask you this question and answer honestly;
which one respects your time more?

1. ff14 ranked pvp
2. Ultimate raids

I can guarantee you that The raids respect your time more then the ranked does since you ACTUALLY PROGRESS

[Astralrisk]

Okay let me ask you this question and answer honestly;
which one respects your time more?

1. ff14 ranked pvp
2. Ultimate raids

I can guarantee you that The raids respect your time more then the ranked does since you ACTUALLY PROGRESS

Considering both DSR and TOP exist, i'd say neither ranked or ultimate raids respect your time.

[Towa-Musa]

Considering both DSR and TOP exist, i'd say neither ranked or ultimate raids respect your time.

Okay ill take that as Raids respect your time more since you don't wanna tell me which one sucks less.

[Astralrisk]

Okay ill take that as Raids respect your time more since you don't wanna tell me which one sucks less.

A less joking answer, I think both have a subjectively different/equal amount of time disrespect if that makes any sense. Raids this expansion have felt incredibly disrespectful to the time investment, especially when you get horribly designed later phases that also just have bugs at launch when the game has traditionally not had them. Meanwhile PvP has times where you can get hardstuck in a certain rank for a while and not having any clear way for you to get out of that rut. Granted though, that's more of a problem with PvP in games overall rather than XIV's PvP specifically. If I had to choose, i'd rather do ranked with complete randoms with some attempt to least win a fight with my own skill than just depend on several other people to do Death of the Heaven's correctly and not die to the team jump rope mechanic.

[Towa-Musa]

A less joking answer, I think both have a subjectively different/equal amount of time disrespect if that makes any sense. Raids this expansion have felt incredibly disrespectful to the time investment, especially when you get horribly designed later phases that also just have bugs at launch when the game has traditionally not had them. Meanwhile PvP has times where you can get hardstuck in a certain rank for a while and not having any clear way for you to get out of that rut. Granted though, that's more of a problem with PvP in games overall rather than XIV's PvP specifically. If I had to choose, i'd rather do ranked with complete randoms with some attempt to least win a fight with my own skill than just depend on several other people to do Death of the Heaven's correctly and not die to the team jump rope mechanic.

You are a special type of masochist

I prefer to have control who i que with, at least in ultimates you can have that.

[Towa-Musa]

What the heck? Ultimates respecting my time? This has to be one of the types of content in game that is literally constructed around artificial difficulty based on 20min long bosses where you literally have to replay 10-15min of the fight every time you want to prog further in the latest phases...

And that's supposed to be respecting my time?

Unless you are VERY lucky you will make more progress in a Ultimate raid then you will ranked in a day, not to mention you will probably feel better about completing a ultimate raid then you will hitting crystal.

[Valence]

Okay let me ask you this question and answer honestly;
which one respects your time more?

1. ff14 ranked pvp
2. Ultimate raids

I can guarantee you that The raids respect your time more then the ranked does since you ACTUALLY PROGRESS

The answer for me is ranked pvp, even though it's not respecting my time for a lot of reasons as well, mainly seasons releasing at the same time as savage/ultimates, and just shit days where you drop back to the bottom of plat because whatever (but ultimates also have those, and enough of them and your static will start having drama, get toxic and/or explode).

Unless you are VERY lucky you will make more progress in a Ultimate raid then you will ranked in a day, not to mention you will probably feel better about completing a ultimate raid then you will hitting crystal.

If you mean better as in feeling relieved to be delivered of that hell, then sure.

[Towa-Musa]

The answer for me is ranked pvp, even though it's not respecting my time for a lot of reasons as well, mainly seasons releasing at the same time as savage/ultimates, and just shit days where you drop back to the bottom of plat because whatever (but ultimates also have those, and enough of them and your static will start having drama, get toxic and/or explode).

i Respect your choice, raid statics ARE super toxic and the only reason why ranked is not as toxic is because you can only use quick chat. funny how that works.