Quote Originally Posted by Bergfinn View Post
Those were players' fault, not old shatter, even bc all this happens on all maps, not only there. The only true issues the map really had were small ices spawning before the first big one at the start of the map baiting people off and, some jobs (and their healers), would have a extra hard time during the AoE fiesta on the active big ice - and those were minor issues that barely affected the gameplay at all.
I would say yes and no. Strictly speaking it's their fault, but they aren't taught what to do in the PVP maps. Square is really bad about PVP instructions. How many people just skip the guide, or outright have it silenced because it's so overbearing in PVE? The problem is trying to explain to newer players mid match they will never get the better of that MNK MCH etc. seldom hits home but also wastes your attention as well effectively downing your team by two players.

Quote Originally Posted by Bergfinn View Post
It would be the same if I started to ask for the devs make onsal like the new shatter just bc too many people doesn't look at the score or even at the map to see where to go or what team to prioritize as target or even bc people get baited by a single PLD roaming the map when the most dangerous thing they can do is stun a single person with shield bash every 15 seconds.
They kind of addressed this with the HUD scoreboard change. The quest log scoreboard was pretty terrible and overdue for an overhaul. I wish we could figure out the map thing, but I think something akin to hall of the novice for PVP would help both of these issues.