Petition: Don't allow two home points!

[Rokien]

You do know you directly contradicted yourself within those two sentences, right?

Nope I did not.
Of course game companies need money dduuuuhhh, but that doesn't mean they should be like COD and do it just for the money. They should love to make the game not love the money that comes with the game. That is why games have gone down hill. We as consumers show are love with money so they produce the same quality. Even if that means not providing to the masses like CoD does. A game isn't just about numbers.

I bet nobody here(maybe a few) have heard of Of Montreal, they haven't changed their style and they are doing just fine from the support of the few people(including me) that knows of em and loves them. I give them money to make the same type of music they are known for, not to change into something they are not.

I give this game money because I want a FF game not just another "HERE IS A GAME EVERYONE(masses) WILL LOVE GAME".

[ChickNorris]

Nope I did not.
Of course game companies need money dduuuuhhh, but that doesn't mean they should be like COD and do it just for the money. They should love to make the game not love the money that comes with the game. That is why games have gone down hill. We as consumers show are love with money so they produce the same quality. Even if that means not providing to the masses like CoD does. A game isn't just about numbers.

I bet nobody here(maybe a few) have heard of Of Montreal, they haven't changed their style and they are doing just fine from the support of the few people(including me) that knows of em and loves them. I give them money to make the same type of music they are known for, not to change into something they are not.

I give this game money because I want a FF game not just another "HERE IS A GAME EVERYONE(masses) WILL LOVE GAME".

There is so much wrong with your debate tactics that I do not know where to begin.

First, yes you did. You can not claim an ideal such as "don't it for the money", and in the previous sentence state how money lets you have what you need. In answer to the person who wanted you to be quiet, you could have said so many things as to why you were posting. That you had a compelling argument, that it was important to you, that you had a perspective or facts that no one else did (information). Instead you chose to say that because of money, you are able to do this. If money allows you freedoms, then they allow them for others. You can not have subjective ideals. Not to mention you create a debate on a point I did not bring up, which makes the first paragraph basically a digression.

Second, I don't know you, so it is very possible that you do personally know the creators and developers and workers that created CoD series. However, if you do not, then it wanders somewhere close to an argument that is slightly slanderous and, above all else, digressive and without portent towards the current issue. Which I believe is still if they should allow a home point for Inns. (You also do this with the FFXIV team as well).

You have an amazing concept of self-importance. You believe that these things perpetuate because you invest in them. What your money helps with, in all cases, is the distribution of said product. The musician, the artist, the writer, the developer, etc....creative people....they will create. Regardless of if you get to see/hear/finance any part of it. It may also occur to you that the reason why we get many games that are similar is because that is what people like to make and that is what people like to play.

We do not show our love or appreciation to the creators with money. We show it here, in the forums. Which is why often the creation of threads such as this make some of us cringe. It isn't that you can't speak your mind, of course you can. However, to take responsibility for your situation and feelings and to act accordingly, that would make a large difference. We do not even know how this will be implemented. Yet you have already decided how it will work, how it will affect the players, how it will affect other aspects of the game and also what is the appropriate feeling to have about it. Perhaps if you were to ask questions, you may find that what they have planned isn't what you are imagining....maybe it will. As it stands, you do not know...which makes your scenario in your intial petition void.

I try and imagine I am in a room with the person I post to....if you were here now, I would say these exact same things. Try and imagine you are in the same room as the developers. What would you say, how would you say it? That is how you should conduct yourself online.

As far as the last paragraph...again, I find it intriguing the position you stake. You are essentially saying, you would like the game to be unique to your tastes and please you, even if many more people would be happier with it another way. I am not saying you are right or wrong, but I would like to point out, it makes it very hard to want to join forces with you and support your petition. Because even if I did, you are making it clear that the next time something is amiss, you will care for yourself and not consider me or others at all.

[Rokien]

There is so much wrong with your debate tactics that I do not know where to begin.

First, yes you did. You can not claim an ideal such as "don't it for the money", and in the previous sentence state how money lets you have what you need. In answer to the person who wanted you to be quiet, you could have said so many things as to why you were posting. That you had a compelling argument, that it was important to you, that you had a perspective or facts that no one else did (information). Instead you chose to say that because of money, you are able to do this. If money allows you freedoms, then they allow them for others. You can not have subjective ideals. Not to mention you create a debate on a point I did not bring up, which makes the first paragraph basically a digression.

Second, I don't know you, so it is very possible that you do personally know the creators and developers and workers that created CoD series. However, if you do not, then it wanders somewhere close to an argument that is slightly slanderous and, above all else, digressive and without portent towards the current issue. Which I believe is still if they should allow a home point for Inns. (You also do this with the FFXIV team as well).

You have an amazing concept of self-importance. You believe that these things perpetuate because you invest in them. What your money helps with, in all cases, is the distribution of said product. The musician, the artist, the writer, the developer, etc....creative people....they will create. Regardless of if you get to see/hear/finance any part of it. It may also occur to you that the reason why we get many games that are similar is because that is what people like to make and that is what people like to play.

We do not show our love or appreciation to the creators with money. We show it here, in the forums. Which is why often the creation of threads such as this make some of us cringe. It isn't that you can't speak your mind, of course you can. However, to take responsibility for your situation and feelings and to act accordingly, that would make a large difference. We do not even know how this will be implemented. Yet you have already decided how it will work, how it will affect the players, how it will affect other aspects of the game and also what is the appropriate feeling to have about it. Perhaps if you were to ask questions, you may find that what they have planned isn't what you are imagining....maybe it will. As it stands, you do not know...which makes your scenario in your intial petition void.

I try and imagine I am in a room with the person I post to....if you were here now, I would say these exact same things. Try and imagine you are in the same room as the developers. What would you say, how would you say it? That is how you should conduct yourself online.

As far as the last paragraph...again, I find it intriguing the position you stake. You are essentially saying, you would like the game to be unique to your tastes and please you, even if many more people would be happier with it another way. I am not saying you are right or wrong, but I would like to point out, it makes it very hard to want to join forces with you and support your petition. Because even if I did, you are making it clear that the next time something is amiss, you will care for yourself and not consider me or others at all.

Why do you buy a Final Fantasy game? Because it's a final fantasy game, that's why you buy it, it's not a first person shooter nor would you want them to turn it into one.
You buy things because you like the style of it, if they changed the style completely you wouldn't buy it anymore(maybe unless it's another style you like).

Humans are selfish, everyone is. Also to call me(a hippie) not considering others? I am, I'm taking into consideration of the people who love Final Fantasy for what it is, not what it isn't.

[Lyndis]

There is so much wrong with your debate tactics that I do not know where to begin.

... a whole bunch of stuff

I had this feeling while reading this post that I was running around a tetherball post. You seem to spend a lot of time talking a lot less time actually getting a message across. I'm sorry, I guess this post is irrelevant and I don't mean to upset you, but I admit I couldn't help myself after reading it. The truth is Rokien probably made this post, along with all his many other posts because he wants an opinion voiced. Everyone knows that that not even half the player base bothers to post on here. There may be a large group that read and do not post. These are things the developers have acknowledge. Rokien posts and voices his opinions when he can just in case there are like minded individuals that have yet to speak out. People may find it annoying but in truth, often times people do agree with his posts. So I hope everyone can find it in themselves to forgive him despite his inability to shut his mouth before he can speculate off the deep end.

I'd also like to argue that money is a very big driving force for an artist or designer. It's true people have passions about these things and they may pursue them regardless. However, there is an entire nation founded on the belief that money or at least recognition and appreciation for a creation is a driving force for these people. That's why patents exist after all. To say sales is not an inspiration for a gaming company is incredibly wrong. I'm sure that game developers feel very 'close' to their projects and they are proud of them no matter how well they are received by the public, but I doubt very many game developers have had the freedom to do whatever they want with their own game due to the investment cost of such projects.

There are not forums for every game. People don't set up these things so that they can be littered with praises. It's a place we can all speak our mind so that the developers can understand the demographic and desires of their consumers. So lets talk about the topic rather than argue whether this topic is valid or somehow intrinsically immoral.

Anyways... Having two home points is just another uneeded addition to this game. I wish we'd get the feeling that traveling is part of the adventure. I get tired of just being at different locations and either talking to an npc or in a fight. There is no getting there or exploration, it's just simply look at the map and teleport. So for each new addition that makes traveling easier, the game becomes less full and more flat. Though I feel this whole messy transportation system will get a revamp in 2.0 so I reserve any true complaints for that.