Bring Back Kaiten

[ElysiumDragon]

You'd probably have to partially nerf/merge some Samurai skills to make it properly work, but I think Kaiten could be brought back, IF it reduced variance by making the next attack a guaranteed Crit. I get why SE removed it (it feels bad when your big attacks don't crit, and it was a recognised problem with Samurai), but the animation and fantasy were arguably iconic to the job, and removing Kaiten was the wrong choice to make.

[CelestiCer]

( Me before Kaiten removal )









( Me after Kaiten removal )




( Based on accurate in-game canon lore, true stories & testimonies. Obviously... )

[Arohk]

That still doesn't make it a " Job Design issue " it makes it a " Skill issue " though...

Why not add 10 more buttons then , that do nothing in particular but you must use them every time before any other ability, oh too many buttons ? skill issue.

I Suggest we add Kaiten I Kaiten II and Kaiten III , each Kaiten is for a different Iaijutsu

[Deo14]

Why not add 10 more buttons then , that do nothing in particular but you must use them every time before any other ability, oh too many buttons ? skill issue.

I Suggest we add Kaiten I Kaiten II and Kaiten III , each Kaiten is for a different Iaijutsu

That doesn't sound bad. I would much rather have 3 Kaitens than 3 pairs of identical skills we have now. Casuals will mash whatever buttons they desire anyway, and people who want to get good will accept the new challenge, even though the challenge is merely finding good keybinds. But if they finally merged the ST/AoE oGCDs, we would even same amount of buttons AND have all the Kaitens we want! Well, I personally would have one extra free keybind, since I still have Kaiten on my Shift + F keybind 'til this day. But imagine 3 different animations for each Kaiten though, that sounds really sweet.

But because you're just trying to shitpost with "gotcha" argument, since you're probably impatient for tommorow's patch, I recommend this video on Kaiten:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIHj-1_Yn1U

[CelestiCer]

Why not add 10 more buttons then , that do nothing in particular but you must use them every time before any other ability, oh too many buttons ? skill issue.

I Suggest we add Kaiten I Kaiten II and Kaiten III , each Kaiten is for a different Iaijutsu

Rich, " GNB main " talking about... another Job having too many buttons claiming they do nothing in particular... or Skill-Issue with 1 button to much on a Job they don't play? You gone tell us next that you played SAM in high-end-content when Kaiten still existed for you to ever have played with Kaiten to even contribute anything to the thread-topic? ( might be a trick question cause like ya know you like haven't? )

Regardless!! Lets uno reverse, by your logic we will remove 10 things from GNB, lets apply your logic. Oh the pickings lets see, remove...

1. Brutal Shell
2. No Mercy
3. Jugular Rip
4. Rough Divide
5. Bow Shock
6. Blasting Zone
7. BloodFest
8. Abdomen Tear
9. Eye Gouge

Delete " Camouflage " as the 10th thing turn it in a passive or something for the exciting gameplay that change will do (obviously). Definitely can't call it Skill-Issue or Button Bloat at this point, but I doubt GNB is now improved...

We debunked the non-existing Button-Bloat issue of SAM with even better solutions to reduce button bloat beyond three buttons without needing to change the gameplay nor removing Kaiten " ages ago ". Like... did you missed the memo? ( where do these players come from... )

[Tamaerl]

We can only hope they will maybe give kaiten back in 7.0. I hate the current SAM rotation with all the shinten spam. I've come to hate shinten with a passion now, so much so that I hope some day shinten is deleted and wiped off the face of the earth. I've pretty much become a caster main now, because this current iteration of SAM just isn't fun.

[Mithron]

I still miss Kaiten. I will always be sad until it's re-added. Kaiten was a defining satisfaction feeling of SAM.

[RyuuZero]

With the release of 6.4 it becomes evermore clear to me that FFXIV's Hook is the MSQ and maybe some Bonus Features but Gameplay ain't one of them..

though, let me address my DRG Talk again because due to misunderstandings I face ridicule that makes the official FFXIV Forums look worse than Twitter.

my DRG Argument was in response to merging skills that had a fine but notable difference: ST&AoE, which is a difference that the Samurai utilizes to its adventage.
The DRG does not. the DRG has 3 Line AoEs with Fall off Damage where the Samurai has 3 ST skills with AoE alternative skills, so 6 skills but Samurai also has different resources which justifice them.

Regarding 6.4: Big Tenka is funny but I still want Cone Tenka Back. But I have the feeling Big Tenka was made for P12, just a feeling..

Now to my Observations and well.. demands sound a bit harsh but it has been a longtime now and Samurai is like the Overwatch 2 of FFXIV Jobs at this point:

Crits don't feel special anymore, which could be, in the Samurai's case easily remedied with Kaiten just applying Direct Hit onto the next Weaponskill BAM!! Direct Crit Midare and Ogi for 20 Kenki, yay~

• Return of Kaiten, 20 Kenki for the Next Weaponskill to get applyed Direct Hit
• Cone Tenka Goken
• Ikishoten, not only enabling the Ogi Trigger but also turning Shinten into Senei and Kyuten into Guren.

The Song the rings the wish of the Return of Kaiten shall not be silenced

[Damokl]

Since i haven't said that previously and i haven't noticed someone else said it as well i want to mention one crucial thing about "direct hit kaiten", it is the fact that DH only does 25% dmg increase no matter what. I would rather appreciate much more the completely opposite, some skills become guaranteed direct hit and Kaiten makes that skill is now guaranteed crit hit which on paper can go as high af since crit hit rate actually increases not only the frequency of crits but also damage of crits which then make kaiten really feel impactful increasing ur dmg by at least 40% if we say someone did not invested in crit at all. But in fact we would get crit overflow since we temporarily get enough of 'crit rate' stat for it to increase our crithit chance by flat 100%. And then after crit chance reaches 100% all 'crit hit rate' stat in players' possession in fact becomes 'CRIT HIT DAMAGE' stat (marvelous humongous numbers)

To summarize all above and make it short
They give us:

• all 'guaranteed crit' skills are now 'guaranteed direct hit'

• kaiten is back and it grants 'guaranteed crit hit'

We get:

• MIDARE and OGI

• if we crit it becomes MIDARE!! and OGI!!

• if we Kaiten (and we will Kaiten) it becomes MIDARE!! and OGI!!

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY9A2Yd3834

We give:

• happy yet edgy samurai approving nods

• prob grateful thankful claps here and there

• end of whining

and it almost looks like they half-reverted changes for sam scale to pre-6.1 by adjusting those in more appropriate way than they did or they can make Kaiten to be 'Third Eye' passive upgrade so 'Third Eye' now eats 20 kenki and grants Kaiten buff AND if Kaiten attack is landed 'Third Eye' cd is refreshed therefore they keep our button bloat reduced, action bloat reduced and our rotation slightly shifted to contain third eye AND they also can bring back spinny-winny animation to be 'Third Eye' animation

[RyuuZero]

New Tome Weapon obtained.. and it clips through the arm.. just great..
but you know.. playing Samurai is only sad if you know that there was more than Shinten Spamming at Bosses.