Ok asking for advice

[Ath192]

Thanks for advice to answer few concerns idk bout double stacking events.

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Ty for all advice though y'all have given me some good ideas to talk about and address if you have any more I am open to information

Here is the advice I can give you and what I would start doing asap because you guys are new. You are putting your FC at risk by doing this, even if you think you aren't, and that's why people don't generally do it in XIV. So preparation is going to be your best friend.

You have 2 weeks before 6.4 releases or so.

#1 You dont need 8/8 to get started, while you recruit, the first thing you want to do is secure commitment and instill confidence while detecting issues before they blow up into drama. As such the first step is to get your party to unlock SSS and go to Thavnair X29Y17



There you will ask everyone to finish the dummy for Rubicante EX, this a very low DPS check, far easier than you would encounter even in P5S. It is also a standing dummy so there are no mechanics to be worried about.

If they are having trouble you will point them to https://www.thebalanceffxiv.com/ and research their job rotations. I use the discord, but the website seems to look nice as well.

#2 You will go to Aether and go clear Rubicante with them, set up a pug 6/8 or whoever didn't drop off after step 1 and attempt to clear it. Why Aether? I hate to say it but PFs are dead right now in other DCs and this is just sure fire way to get people without sitting for hours in PF. Any character can DC hop anyways.

Here is a good guide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_v6...HectorLectures

#3 AFTER you clear Rubicante, make sure everyone seems excited and up for this type of stuff and tell them in their free time or organize one of your raid nights before 6.4 to clear or at least practice the P8S Dummy in SSS, the place mentioned in #1. This is much tighter DPS but with ilvl 625 + Gear it should be feasible. This is the type of challenge you are signing up for anyways.


If you succeed at all these three things you will be in good shape. And most of these except the EX night is something everyone can work on their time. If you fail at any besides the last one those are major red flags and you saved yourself 4 months and possibly an FC. Hopefully by then you have the 8/8 group but I've seen 5/8 and 6/8 groups pugging the tier no problem. So a full static is good, but not absolutely required. Get ready to lose raid night time filling in PF though.

Or you could just wing it. Anyways, I believe in these methods to prepare you for sucess. GL.

[Lunaxia]

Here is the advice.

I mean... there's good advice here and elsewhere in the thread, but OP specified most of the players are new to raiding and I can't help but think this would suck a lot of the fun out of the whole experience for them as sprouts starting on the raid scene, not to mention potentially intimidate or overwhelm them. He also said they are friends, so I doubt advising him to treat the whole deal like a business transaction and view members as disposable commodities is what he's looking for.

We all have our own preferences for playing, of course, and what we're hoping to get out of it, but some of it seems kind of cold, and even as a more experienced player it sounds like a good way to make Savage a bit of a miserable experience. Not everyone is out purely for the drops; some people actually want to have a good time with friends as well.

[Ath192]

I mean... there's good advice here and elsewhere in the thread, but OP specified most of the players are new to raiding and I can't help but think this would suck a lot of the fun out of the whole experience for them as sprouts starting on the raid scene, not to mention potentially intimidate or overwhelm them. He also said they are friends, so I doubt advising him to treat the whole deal like a business transaction and view members as disposable commodities is what he's looking for.

We all have our own preferences for playing, of course, and what we're hoping to get out of it, but some of it seems kind of cold, and even as a more experienced player it sounds like a good way to make Savage a bit of a miserable experience. Not everyone is out purely for the drops; some people actually want to have a good time with friends as well.

Yes, I was very cold and objective. And I get the emotional appeal you are going for. This develops organically, or doesn't, based on each individual group and their dynamics/how they treat each other. I can't advise on that because that's up to them and how they interact. He asked for advice on raiding with a static and I gave him how to break down the math of raiding and objective metrics to test their mettle and commitment to the cause.

I can't tell you how to have fun, but I can tell you how you may increase your chances of succeeding. If I just told him to have fun and be happy that wouldn't be much help would it? But yes, I hope they do have fun and are happy.

A lot of people find succeeding fun and rewarding. And to counter your point I've known people that thought they were friends and then their static can't clear and they start hating each other and never talk again. That sounds pretty miserable as well doesn't it? So all we can do is hope and give people tools so they have an easier time in their goals.