Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
But even if the relics were to be tied to something that base-level casuals can't complete, is that really such a bad thing?
Yes, it is a bad thing.

For people that want hard and grindy high level organized party combat, there's Savage weapons. Having Criterion Relics would be redundant since the people who have statics or like trying their luck with the PF already have Savage weapons. Like I love PotD, HoH, etc, but I don't have statics. So I solo them when I feel like it.

Past Relics worked that way. You could either solo/DF them (ARR/HW) or pick up groups on the fly in exploration zones (Eureka/Bozja). None ever required statics or organized parties to do. Those were options people could do, but they were entirely doable for non-static players, which is the majority of the playerbase. Difficulty was substituted for persistence. Instead of mastering hard fights for a Savage weapon, you have to have knowledge of the steps and dogged dedication to the grind. Both were challenging in their own way as they had to be worked for. It's like comparing a star athlete who works super hard for a decade to amass some millions to retire on to the nose-to-the-grindstone tradesman who works 50 years to achieve the same general result.

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Also, the argument "you don't need it, why do you want it" is and always has been stupid. There's no content you're worse off having better gear, no content in the game (aside from MAYBE Ultimates after the expansion is over) need BiS to complete, and the entire point of an MMO is bettering, improving, and strengthening your character, which is tied to gear.

Asking "Why do you want good gear, if you aren't raiding?" is like asking "Why do you work out, if you aren't going to run a marathon?"; there are reasons to do and have these things besides doing Savage content. It's never been a good question to ask.

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The people this is probably going to annoy the most are folks like me who love the Eureka/Bozja content or even the ARR/HW Relic grinds. Raiders have their Savages and Ultimates, hyper-casuals have their Limsa Aetherite. We in the middle have nothing right now, and it sucks. I knew when they said they weren't doing an Exploration zone this expansion, it was going to suck. But with even longer patch cycles/content drought and nothing like that to grind on...it's sucking a lot more than I anticipated. And no, Island Sweatshop ain't it for me.

Here's hoping they and all the anti-Eureka/Boaja people have learned how much this sucks and we can go back to that content next expansion. It really helps during the content drought periods to have stuff like that to grind and farm.