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    VelKallor's Avatar
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    Vel Kallor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eraden View Post
    Mao nots worried abouts more tomestone gatherings. Manderville weapons just icings on cake for Mao. It was Hildebrand quests that Mao wanted more of. To be honest, for most of what Mao does in game, Manderville weapons is overkills.
    Vel likes Mao, Mao seems to have a more level head on his shoulders.
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    It's clear to me that those of us who wanted a more involved process are not simply not being listened to, but actively ignored.
    Welcome to to lives of healers for the past 6 years or so.

    We have cookies on the table.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    isnt it messed up that goblet is a housing area and not a tiny goblin
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    Dusk Himmel
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    Viper Lv 100
    atleast they don't have to bother to nerf it
    once this all converts to poetics itll all be even easier AND you can get these relics done before your roulettes get you to lvl 95
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    Johanna Yevon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duskane View Post
    atleast they don't have to bother to nerf it
    once this all converts to poetics itll all be even easier AND you can get these relics done before your roulettes get you to lvl 95
    If the Weapons look cool in the end, EASY GLAMOUR
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    Ishe Platinum
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    Dancer Lv 100
    I'll take a half ass grind this expac if I can get a full ass grind next expac. I do think exploratory zones are theoretically at their best when they are at least 1 expac apart. But what do I know. Regardless, they need to make whatever the grind content is FUN. Maybe I've just been playing too long but once you've learned this game's tricks, there isn't a whole lot to look forward to.
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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Woo! This makes me happy. Only relic series I kept up with given how dull the old grinds were.
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    Rithris Amaya
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    I honestly don't really mind that much, if anything this is a big W for me, I don't enjoy massive relic grinds where you'd just be doing a bunch of pointless stuff. Both are grinds anyway, the new relic is just a lot less obnoxious, at least with 1500 tomes theirs a lot more "content" to get it.

    Yes theirs a content issue right now (being theirs nothing fun to do lol), but spamming fates or a single thing to get your next relic step isn't going to make the game feel less dull to me.
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    Playful Kitten
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    I honestly don't really mind that much, if anything this is a big W for me, I don't enjoy massive relic grinds where you'd just be doing a bunch of pointless stuff. Both are grinds anyway, the new relic is just a lot less obnoxious, at least with 1500 tomes theirs a lot more "content" to get it.

    Yes theirs a content issue right now (being theirs nothing fun to do lol), but spamming fates or a single thing to get your next relic step isn't going to make the game feel less dull to me.
    The point is, they could have funneled players into activities that are currently not being used or are outdated to the point where putting people in the roulette queue would keep it active.

    Variant Dungeons and Normal Raids from both Asphodelos/Abyssos are good examples of content that could use the boost in players doing those activities, and are current expansion content that is kind of left dead after its served its purpose.
    People doing Variant dundgeons means more people can do all 12 paths without having to do it solo.
    People doing Raids helps newer players in DF trying to queue up to get their quests completed.

    Thats all the issue is, There is no direction, they just dump it infront of you and say 'here, do exactly what you have been doing for the last year and a half and you WILL LIKE IT (or go unsub)'
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    The point is, they could have funneled players into activities that are currently not being used or are outdated to the point where putting people in the roulette queue would keep it active.

    Variant Dungeons and Normal Raids from both Asphodelos/Abyssos are good examples of content that could use the boost in players doing those activities, and are current expansion content that is kind of left dead after its served its purpose.
    People doing Variant dundgeons means more people can do all 12 paths without having to do it solo.
    People doing Raids helps newer players in DF trying to queue up to get their quests completed.

    Thats all the issue is, There is no direction, they just dump it infront of you and say 'here, do exactly what you have been doing for the last year and a half and you WILL LIKE IT (or go unsub)'
    I mean I really don't disagree, it sucks for relic players who liked the old relic grinds, I just hated them personally I find the new system works better for me. Alot of people share the same feelings too, Most people don't find "do random fate and hope you get something towards your relic step" fun.

    I wish the rewards for Asp/abys were higher in general (obviously they're "quicker" but you get a disproportionate amount) you don't get a lot of Tomes from raids and trials so you end up spamming dungeons when you're out of dailies for extra tomes, I'm already sick of seeing the expert dungeons, pretty sure variant also just gives you less then expert, I'd really enjoy some forms of content at least, maybe even a system where you could get some extra tomes or stuff when you haven't played a duty in a while (insane I know). I personally just found the previous relic grinds more annoying then anything exciting or fun.

    It's clear that Variant dungeons are just going to be neglected and not brought back in 7.0 we'll get "oh no one played it anyway!" when it's because the rewards were lacking, Heck even making older content more fun and relevant would be nice, but no one wants to play when half your skills are took away and older content feels awful anyway.

    Varity is there, but the issue is a lot of it isn't even fun or the fun stuff doesn't even properly reward you.
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    Matthieu Desrosiers
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    Matthieu would prefer another Eureka or Bozja. Matthieu would find that to be more engaging than gathering tomestones through yet more roulettes or hunt trains.
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