The Healers should be reworked? New player perspective.

[Renathras]

My my, I think I touched a nerve. Let's see...

That's you my guy. You are the one constantly insulting everyone else, and then pops a blood vessel anytime someone tries to call you out on it. Would you like to speak with the manager?

I "pop a blood vessel" when people LIE ABOUT ME. The fact you can't even own up to your own mistake - one you made just, what, three days ago? - when I actually WILL own up to mine, even making multiple attempts to get it right if necessary. I don't "constantly insult everyone", that's you guys. Many of you can't make replies to me without insults in them.

When you "call me out" on something I've actually done, then we can talk.

When your ideas are "How can I pacify people like Ren without actually giving them anything they want", you're the one being what you accuse me of. Also note that I'm not the one first with insults. The only barbs I cast are at people who did so to me first. I much prefer cordial conversation, but look at what this thread has become, mainly tanks to you.

When one of the most patient people on the forums has come to the brink of calling you out as a Karen, perhaps it's time to go out and touch some grass.

The dogpile continues.

Also, lol at calling Ty "one of the most patient people on the forums". XD Perhaps you need to step out and touch some green yourself...

Also, feelsrelevantman

Yes?

I have no dislike of "raiders". I have a dislike of elitists and exclusionary types. Oh, sorry, I didn't see you there. Hi Sebezy, I was just talking about you!

Didn't we already debunk this?

No. Your "sources" weren't data, they were some really old forum posts.

'It was both?' Well thank you for clarifying Yoshida's direction for me. I'm glad I chose to leave this thread in your all seeing and all capable hands.

Always glad to enlighten the ignorant, my friend.

Are you actually losing control as you type?

Cool as a cucumber. "losing control"? That was the LEAST out of control thing I typed, lol

My MY, I must REALLY have touched a nerve...

You literally turned tail on your very own Thundercloud suggestion after I whole heartedly agreed with it.

You mean the thing I said was the least good of two options? I'm not quite sure how this:

2) It technically wouldn't be 1112. If you look at my example rotation, you see you're often delaying some Glare or Holy as you move around Dia and Afflatus abilities in the rotation. Either way, it's something.

...could be describe as "turned tail".

Seriously, get a grip sir

This is my line. You seem to have lost your mind in this post of yours, Karen.

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As for unhinged, this is what unhinged looks like:

I shouldn't do jack.

I didn't lie.

I didn't read most of it.

I don't owe you an apology though. I said it's not the way to approach a conversation. I'm not hiding that aspect.

I don't care what happened. You are not entitled to an apology.

...then pops a blood vessel anytime someone tries to call you out on it. Would you like to speak with the manager?

I agree, "Sylphie" is not an accurate term. "Vauthry" is the better character example.

The most patient, not at all EVER insulting people poster here, ladies and gentlemen.

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Do you guys genuinely not realize you do this? o.O

I can always tell when I get too close to exposing an uncomfortable truth with you guys by how quick and vicious the dogpile is. I guess I came too close to the truth again. My my my...

[ForsakenRoe]

I forgot to refresh

It goes back to WoW Druids doing that for the same reason. Some spells they use the most are Life bloom, Rejuvenation, Moonfire and Sunfire. For WHM, it would be Regen, the shorter Dia / Aero, Afflatus Bastion / Solace and Afflatus Misery. Renathras said Dia is still worth it on 4 targets currently and cutting the duration to a third may mean the DoT can be 2 - 3 times stronger. This means a 12 - 15s DoT would almost remove Glare in favor of Dia spam with 3 - 4 enemies present.

If you mean the 'what if healing spells had shorter GCDs' thread I made earlier, it's interesting you picked up that notion, because Rejuv was the exact thought in my head as I was writing it. The amount of mobility a Druid has because of Rejuv, Swiftmend, Lifebloom, Nature's Swiftness is really fun to work with. Plus, having less AOE healing means that ST healing each person in sequence is more encouraged, and that means more instantcast GCDs, thereby increasing mobility even further. If you don't and you mean 'just the big idea pitch', yeh, an unintended (but welcome) side effect of the changes would be that you'd have a lot more instantcast GCDs to work with for mobility. Dia every 5th, Banish every 6th, plus still having Solace/Rapture (or Bastion/Sanc if you don't need healing, put a shield up instead) to use if needed. Though some WHMs enjoy being 'the turret' and having to work around being locked in place like a BLM. Thing is though, BLMs have tools for that, like BTL and Triplecast, and their thunder/fire3 procs

As for Damage stuff, we can say Wrath = Glare, Starfire = Banish, Moonfire = Dia. We're still one DOT lower than Druid but that's okay, I don't exactly associate WHMs of old with 'damage over time' anyway, moreso burst. Hence lowering the duration of Dia and redoing it's damage to be 'stronger if you look at 30s compared to now'. How much did I have it at, 430 total? So it's more efficient to multi-DOT up to 3, and at 3, Holy's 150x3 becomes better, and also more in gauge generation (2 per mob, whereas Dia is 5 over it's dull duration). I didn't even intend this particular series of maths calculations to work out this way, but I'll take it

edit: ffs i post this and already another essay are you guys trying to go for 'piss the other side off' any% speedrun records here, slow down my boomer hands can't keep up

[ty_taurus]

My my, I think I touched a nerve. Let's see...

Not at all. On the contrary, I think the total clown fiestas you create are hilarious and entertaining. Certainly more fun than playing as a healer. I didn't appreciate you calling me a dog, but beyond that, it's been a fun ride.

[Renathras]

another essay

You have a weird definition of "essay". Sides, I have to reply to several people. I can't do tirades like you can, though, Roe. /bow /flourish

Not at all. On the contrary, I think the total clown fiestas you create are hilarious and entertaining. Certainly more fun than playing as a healer. I didn't appreciate you calling me a dog, but beyond that, it's been a fun ride.

Funny, as I never called you a dog. The irony is, you start most of these "clown fiestas", Ty. And you still don't get it. You're the things you accuse me of. I'm honestly not sure of one thing you've accused me of that you weren't doing, actually. And the worst part is, I'm generally NOT doing them. That you take offense to imagined insults while then making REAL insults and trying to pretend they weren't is just the cherry on top.

It'd be nice if just once some neutral party could come in here and tell you guys you were briggading and dogpiling and bullying instead of having cordial arguments and that you guys were starting fights which you then blamed on me.

...oh wait, that DID happen once before. And things actually got nice and cordial for a few weeks after you guys were cowed by a neutral party. Of course, then you started doing it again, and there's been no one to set you straight since, sadly. I just roll with it.

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But yes, I very clearly DID touch a nerve.

You guys don't go full boradside dogpile except when I do so.

You normally go standard "scattered insults". When you go full broadside dogpile, it's always only when I say something uncomfortably close to at truth you don't want spoken.

[Tigore]

I didn't mean to say that the WoW Druid jumpiness would be a bad thing. If anything, I would predict that more players would want to be able to do that. Doesn't need to provide a damage boost either since just being able to jump is rewarding enough for some players. I'm actually surprised I am not seeing much SMNs jumping around yet >.>

[Semirhage]

Ah, the old "I've been exposed! Quick, attack someone!!!"

My entire goal?

What IS my goal, Semi?

You tell me what it is, then I'll tell you what it actually is.

And who's the Sylphie? I'm not by definition since I cast damage spells. Maybe stuff your petty insults - for once.

You just told me what it is. Making sure one of the healers requires essentially zero skill to play. Something you can pick up and master within a week. I get it. You hate complexity. You hate DoTs. You hate having a damage rotation on a healer. You hate having lower output than other healers by dint of playing an easy, boring class. My solution is "make it not easy and boring then", yours is "just give me high throughput and leave it there".

I haven't been "exposed", you goob. I've never made a secret that I think skill expression is fantastic and should be adequately rewarded. I also think that jobs being denied skill expression because jealous Sylphies don't want to engage with it and demand the reward anyway is awful game design.

You ARE a Sylphie, because you display all of the mentalities of one. Skill ceilings are bad. I don't LIKE doing damage. Don't you dare make me ever improve at all! Complexity is for nerds. You reflexively kick and scream and write novels any time anyone dares suggest complexity on WHM, even if they're very, very, very careful to add that the current Glarespamming boring as snot "gameplay" will be available, just like being an Ice Mage is available on Black Mage, or just doing your 1-2-3 combo while not touching your heat gauge on Machinist is available.

But you completely reject that, because your goal isn't to keep your playstyle. It's to ensure that no hypothetical person anywhere could possibly tell you that you're playing poorly or could improve. That's peak Sylphie.

[Renathras]

You just told me what it is. Making sure one of the healers requires essentially zero skill to play.

Interesting, considering I didn't say any of those words.

What EXACTLY did I say?

EDIT:

I mean, you got CLOSE:

You hate having a damage rotation on a healer.

Now, let's see if you can spot what you got WRONG.

You ARE a Sylphie, because you display all of the mentalities of one. Skill ceilings are bad. I don't LIKE doing damage. Don't you dare make me ever improve at all! Complexity is for nerds.
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But you completely reject that, because your goal isn't to keep your playstyle. It's to ensure that no hypothetical person anywhere could possibly tell you that you're playing poorly or could improve. That's peak Sylphie.

Can you show me where in the CNJ quest Sylpie mentioned dps rotations? Where were the words "skill ceiling" mentioned? Or "improvement"? Or hell, "complexity"?

Yes, I want to keep a playstyle that isn't a dps rotation on a non-DPS Job.

Ooooh, the humanity!!!!

A person is thinking that Jobs that aren't DPSers shouldn't have DPS rotations! Stop the presses!!

Moreover, I've mentioned many times I want complexity - in my healing kit.
I want skill ceiling - in my healing kit.
I want and enjoy opportunities to improve - in my healing kit.

It's almost like I want to be...a healer! And not a DPSer and picked a Healing Job instead of a DPS Job because I like healing, including with complexity and a skill ceiling, and not dpsing with or without them!

Yes. You are a Sylphie. We've covered this.

Except that's not what a Sylphie is.

A Sylphie is a person that doesn't do any DPS.

As I do DPS, by definition, I'm not a Sylphie. We've covered this.

Ren:


Also Ren:


I was afraid you were going to break out the rolled up newspaper.

I told you even then, I don't have a dog. I don't say that to dogs, either - another thing I told you at the time.

So no, I didn't "call (you) a dog". You're just trying to use that as a shield so you don't have to apologize to being wrong AND being a jerk about being wrong.

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Anyway, glad we cleared this up:

You guys don't want "a skill ceiling" or "to not be bored", you want other people to not be able to match you and you want people not to be able to clear content. Glad we cleared this up for the 100th time. /sarcasm <_<

Guess there's nothing else to day. I'll stop poking your nerve now since it agitates you all so much being exposed for what you really are.

[ty_taurus]

Ren:

Funny, as I never called you a dog.

Also Ren:

NO!

BAD Ty, BAD!

I was afraid you were going to break out the rolled up newspaper.

[Semirhage]

Yes, I want to keep a playstyle that isn't a dps rotation on a non-DPS Job.

Ooooh, the humanity!!!!

A person is thinking that Jobs that aren't DPSers shouldn't have DPS rotations! Stop the presses!!

Yes. You are a Sylphie. We've covered this.

[ForsakenRoe]

You ARE a Sylphie, because you display all of the mentalities of one. Skill ceilings are bad. I don't LIKE doing damage. Don't you dare make me ever improve at all! Complexity is for nerds. You reflexively kick and scream and write novels any time anyone dares suggest complexity on WHM, even if they're very, very, very careful to add that the current Glarespamming boring as snot "gameplay" will be available, just like being an Ice Mage is available on Black Mage, or just doing your 1-2-3 combo while not touching your heat gauge on Machinist is available.

Hey I want to make it very clear, VERY clear: I made my 'glarespam' calculations work out to be not just 'available', but 98ish % of the efficiency of 'utilizing the kit in the pitch to it's fullest'. I've bent so far backwards in trying to accommodate my designs to 'the casuals' that I should be in the Olympics. And it's STILL not enough, I 'refuse to compromise', apparently.