Minor Idea: White Mage eddition

[Renathras]

If you're going to argue, READ WHAT I SAID.

Follow the conversation:

I will point out for the hundredth time: the healer role is the -only one- that people regularly argue that we neeeeeeeeed a Boring One That Sucks, because if we don't it's too "pressuring" and "scary" and "the queues would collapse

No it's not.

People say this about Tanking and DPSing. And have several options that fit it - WAR for Tanks and SMN for DPSers. Before SMN, it was RDM, BRD, and/or DNC.

It's actually been true for most of the game's history that each Role had at least one simple one, and the simple ones were often the most played, but always had adamant fans of its playstyle who didn't want it changed.

Yeah it is. WAR still has the exact same template as the other 3 tanks - 1-2-3 combo ~6ish defensive options and a burst rotation - Fell Cleaves.

DRK also has discount Fell Cleave with dark arts spam. It literally is no different.

If all four tanks can have a 1-2-3 combo shared between them, there is 0 reason for 3 healers to get extra dps options and leave 1 behind.

[I added just the underlines "as the other 3 tanks" and "all four tanks", the rest are original.]

Ahem:

The question wasn't "how similar are the Tanks", nor was it "how many abilities can a thing have and still be simple"; it was "no other Role has people asking that there be a simple one. The other Roles ABSOLUTELY have people wanting a simple one and that is a thing people want.

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"No it's not." was correct.

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The one thing hilariously annoying to me about this subforum is that whenever one of you guys does something wrong and gets caught in it, not only will the person not admit to it, not only will they not apologize, not only will the weaponize it as yet another attack, but then for the next week or two, everyone else will attempt to "I know you are but what am I?" push it onto me even when it doesn't apply.

I read your post. You compared DRK and WAR while insisting that you were referring to ALL FOUR Tanks. You said all four, and were giving an example using the two most similar to prove it. Then when called out, you backed off on the point and tried to use it as a "You don't read people's posts!!!" attack when I very clearly read your post; the issue was you neither read mine nor were keeping up with the conversation when you decided to interject without even being right about the thing you chose to interject about. We both know what you meant to say, but by all means, pretend in saying "the tanks are all the same" you DIDN'T mean "the tanks are all the same":

WAR still has the exact same template as the other 3 tanks - 1-2-3 combo ~6ish defensive options and a burst rotation

"I said they all have the exact same template, but I didn't MEAN they were the same! Stop putting my own words into my mouth!"

EVERY Job looks the same from a far enough zoom. Every Job in the game dodges mechanics and pushes buttons on their keyboard. That isn't what makes things the same. That's what makes it a videogame.

EDIT:

e: as indicated by the tank forum thread and the ffxivdiscussion thread, the orange and red boxes are really rather similar in practice

The Reddit thread is largely people saying "they're the same if you don't look closely, but they're not at all the same". There are several concurrent discussions, but that seems to be the gist of it, including some people saying "But if we get into the nuance of each tank and applied even a single braincell, then that person either has no idea what they’re talking about, or they were being extremely hyperbolic for the sake of their argument."