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    While this is definitely on the easier side of relics we have done, I don't think making an exploratory zone is mandatory to make something a grind, after all people still complain about the ARR relic and it has no such thing tied to it. Also let's be honest here, if they did add another Exploratory this time people would be complaining about it just the same, there is no pleasing everyone and that's just the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    While this is definitely on the easier side of relics we have done, I don't think making an exploratory zone is mandatory to make something a grind, after all people still complain about the ARR relic and it has no such thing tied to it. Also let's be honest here, if they did add another Exploratory this time people would be complaining about it just the same, there is no pleasing everyone and that's just the way it is.
    I think it’s because, at least to me, they have failed at every exploratory zone they have made thus far. They always find a convaluted way to do things. It's bad enough that these zones have arbitrary levels, so we added arbitrary grinds to them. Oh, and also stupid rules that only apply to those zones. I'm surprised we keep the abilities we have, and there isn't some terrible pvp centric new skill setup. Even things like Logograms and lost actions are just stupid. They add some convaluted step instead of just showing up to the raid, willing to do it with the skill to do it. You have to bring buffs into it. Now it's like, Wow. And now it's not fun.

    At least to me. Eureka and Bozja could be deleted, and their respective rewards added to the game in other ways, and I feel like the community at large would praise it.

    As content, it's crystal clear that they failed. It's why Bozja is a truncated form of Eureka, and they never released an EW version. It's because as content, it failed to meet its engagement metric.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    While this is definitely on the easier side of relics we have done, I don't think making an exploratory zone is mandatory to make something a grind, after all people still complain about the ARR relic and it has no such thing tied to it. Also let's be honest here, if they did add another Exploratory this time people would be complaining about it just the same, there is no pleasing everyone and that's just the way it is.
    Even WoW had its low points, so for me its like....whatever, FFXIV is just going through its low Points Phase (which people will argue happened at X time) maybe next time they'll have a better idea, or a more busy one.
    I hated Explore Zones in Stormblood, hoped they'd never do it again. Did it again in Shadowbringers to my Disappointment...but I actually really liked it that time. Them not doing it again this time Im kinda happy, because 3 times in a row would have been boring. And people complain about just doing the same thing Over-and-Over again. But hey, I guess the Repetition of Explore Zones is more some peoples styles here.

    Im not to surprised or really hurt about the next step if its true to just be another Tome Grind, I just want to actually know from the Devs if its a thing or not 1st.
    And...yeah, I agree with one person that they could have tied to something abit like Criterion. One of the biggest gripes was the lack of Worthwhile rewards. Part of a Relic step would have been a decent reward and get more people into it, if not BACK into it.
    Unfortunate. We got like, what 1 or 2 more steps till the end of the Expansion? If they dont already have it mapped, hopefully they'll have a better idea and possibly give us a more interesting and harder Final Step.
    Maybe.

    I can at least be excited for more Hildi! <3
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