Relic News - 6.45

[Ath192]

I still haven't touched Island Sanctuary or Hildabrand either. Also fell behind on shared fates for EW zones.

Well don't rush any of this because you'll run out of stuff to do in a day tops. GL tho!

[Gemina]

Well don't rush any of this because you'll run out of stuff to do in a day tops. GL tho!

What do you mean? You're confusing me with someone who has the kind of time to burn through the game's content in a day, and is the exact opposite of someone who is hard to please, and easy to disappoint and bore. I will never run out of things to do in the game because I always discover ways to find value in replaying the content I've cleared, and slow down my progress.

As an example. For Rubicante EX I didn't want to just follow the damage dorito around to deal with Purgation. I wanted to be the dorito responsible for keeping everyone safe. So I studied those six patterns until the cows came home and made my own guide to it instead of resorting to YouTube. For Sophia EX, I wanted to clear her with each job I have at 90, and won't go into a clear party as a job I have not cleared her with. So I'm always in the practice groups. Things like Island Sanctuary and shared fates are treated in the same likeness.

A huge issue with players, especially among the younger generation is the frequent need for instant gratification. You take content that required months of development and devour it within hours and immediately begin asking for more. This is not a dev problem. This is a you problem. There's no way one game can keep up with such savage appetites. Yoshi knows this, and is likely a big reason why he said go play something else for a time, and then come back.

If the relic weapon was more worthwhile and horizontal as far as its power goes, I would agree with the rest of you about making it more grind because that effort would be worth the time put in. As it is now, it is not that way. It isn't horizontal or even vertical. It's filler. It's a glamour. A mindless grindfest for that? Hard pass.

[Ath192]

What do you mean? You're confusing me with someone who has the kind of time to burn through the game's content in a day, and is the exact opposite of someone who is hard to please, and easy to disappoint and bore. I will never run out of things to do in the game because I always discover ways to find value in replaying the content I've cleared, and slow down my progress.

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A huge issue with players, especially among the younger generation is the frequent need for instant gratification. You take content that required months of development and devour it within hours and immediately begin asking for more. This is not a dev problem. This is a you problem. There's no way one game can keep up with such savage appetites. Yoshi knows this, and is likely a big reason why he said go play something else for a time, and then come back.

Your attitude is commendable even if its highly impractical and completely contradictory.

What do you mean? You're confusing me with someone who has the kind of time to burn through the game's content in a day

I wanted to be the dorito responsible for keeping everyone safe. So I studied those six patterns until the cows came home and made my own guide to it instead of resorting to YouTube

Wouldn't doing it quickly take less time, you know, for people who don't have the time? none the less, I am not a sweaty player, I would say I do content at a pace where I don't skip dialogues, cutscenes, or anything really and, like most of us, is still out of interesting things to do.

You take content that required months of development and devour it within hours and immediately begin asking for more

I'm sorry but one and done content that has no replay value in an MMO took months to develop and can be finished in a couple of days is a design issue because customers pay monthly for this game. And while we don't expect devs to overwork themselves, at least I don't, I do expect them to design the content in a way that will at least rationally last a few months of casual play before it gets exhausted. This is a design issue, not a player issue. They've even designed content like this in this very game previously.

[Tulvi]

A huge issue with players, especially among the younger generation is the frequent need for instant gratification. You take content that required months of development and devour it within hours and immediately begin asking for more. This is not a dev problem. This is a you problem. There's no way one game can keep up with such savage appetites. Yoshi knows this, and is likely a big reason why he said go play something else for a time, and then come back.

Big true. When Island Sanctuaries came out, most of the players (particularly from NA) jumped on it with this min/max attitude, completely missing the point of that content, and “finished” the thing in no time. I took my sweet time, explored the place, had fun with friends, and kept playing and coming back to it even after I completed every thing there was to do on the Island (took me months), and still keep coming back to it, because it is meant to be a chill place to relax (the story itself says so).

And there are so many examples like this, when players with min/max approach tear apart the content in a few days and then complain about not having anything to do. I’m wondering whether this is a WoW migration issue, because this was the attitude I witnessed in WoW and escaped it as soon as I learnt there’s something like FF14.

[Nizzi]

I’m wondering whether this is a WoW migration issue, because this was the attitude I witnessed in WoW and escaped it as soon as I learnt there’s something like FF14.

What's up with former WoW players who joined with the "exodus" in 2021 acting like pick-mes and constantly bringing up WoW when nobody's talking about it? Really cringe behavior for an adult to be honest

[Shinkuno]

What's up with former WoW players who joined with the "exodus" in 2021 acting like pick-mes and constantly bringing up WoW when nobody's talking about it? Really cringe behavior for an adult to be honest

Gotta keep their delusion of FF14 being the best game ever and they didnt just come to this game to "teach blizzard a lesson"

[Remish]

Big true. When Island Sanctuaries came out, most of the players (particularly from NA) jumped on it with this min/max attitude, completely missing the point of that content, and “finished” the thing in no time. I took my sweet time, explored the place, had fun with friends, and kept playing and coming back to it even after I completed every thing there was to do on the Island (took me months), and still keep coming back to it, because it is meant to be a chill place to relax (the story itself says so).

And there are so many examples like this, when players with min/max approach tear apart the content in a few days and then complain about not having anything to do. I’m wondering whether this is a WoW migration issue, because this was the attitude I witnessed in WoW and escaped it as soon as I learnt there’s something like FF14.

The Min/Max happens with every single piece of content ever and the reason it happens is largely because of content creators. All the min/max math is done for reputation, clicks, likes, streaming, views, ect. It's also a very, "If you don't do it, someone else will and they'll get the Youtube clicks you could have had." This is just the nature of reality.