Thread: Relic News - 6.45

Originally Posted by Jojoya

I don't think they're giving up. I think they're trying different things to see what gets more players participating.

1500 tomes 3 steps in arow isn't "trying different things". Surely they can see player engagement after 1-2 steps like that...right?

They're probably also trying to keep in mind new players to the game who would like to start their own collections but find the amount of grinding a bit overwhelming.

1500 tomes is a lot still. That grind can be worse than some of the Shb steps...Plus you are pulling those tomes away from those players investing in current crafting, as well as investing in upgrading crafted pieces, or purchasing the previous tome set.

Originally Posted by Jojoya

Here's an interesting question: was Bozja/Zadnor created solely as a home for the relic grind, or was the relic grind attached to Bozja/Zadnor in an attempt to get more players to try the exploratory zone that was being added to the game regardless?

The answer to that question would not change what Bozja as a whole was: a hotspot of content that gave a player many reasons to come back after completing its story. You can criticize it (it's far from what I would call perfect, the lack of futureproofing for things like CLL or Delubrum definitely hurt engagement and made it difficult for new players to complete it. I certainly didn't like how Bozja handled relics either.) or even dislike it, but nothing introduced in EW so far has been able to compare to its standard.

The fact that it has so much content packed into it despite being made at the height of the pandemic speaks volumes of what the dev team is capable of, which is why things like V/C dungeons, Island Sanctuary and Orthos are even more disappointing to me.

At least I can play FF16 while I have nothing to do in FF14. It's obviously all part of Yoshi P's plan.

Originally Posted by angienessyo

At least I can play FF16 while I have nothing to do in FF14. It's obviously all part of Yoshi P's plan.

yes, it is very plausible there is nothing to do so you go buy a PS5 and buy XVI in a couple of months from now. It releases June 22, a month after savage releases, and there is no grind afterwards to spend your time in. Coincidence? Maybe. But it is suspicious.

Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Remember what was lost.

True but lets be real. It was the ONLY lasting content in the entirety of Shallowbringers. I'll admit that yes, it had a lot but that was just it. And guess what? People still complained anyway.

While with EW at the very friggin least, they're adding some new stuff that we havent had in this game before. It just turns out that they're investments for the long run. I'd hold my tongue till we give it a couple of years before we can look back and properly review whether it was worth it or not (in regard to IS and Variant/Criterion).

If not, then I 100% give you permission to slap my face and brag and nag with a huge fat "I told you so". Because thats honestly the attitude you usually seem to be doing anyway.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

True but lets be real. It was the ONLY lasting content in the entirety of Shallowbringers. I'll admit that yes, it had a lot but that was just it. And guess what? People still complained anyway.

While with EW at the very friggin least, they're adding some new stuff that we havent had in this game before. It just turns out that they're investments for the long run. I'd hold my tongue till we give it a couple of years before we can look back and properly review whether it was worth it or not (in regard to IS and Variant/Criterion).

If not, then I 100% give you permission to slap my face and brag and nag with a huge fat "I told you so". Because thats honestly the attitude you usually seem to be doing anyway.

It's also really hard to go back now and complete some of it alone.

Originally Posted by Remish

It's also really hard to go back now and complete some of it alone.

Prolly depends on the DA or server you're on. I know on my end at Crystal I still see a few people running around to do the content. Although its almost always progression players. I do know that Savage DA is pretty much dead unless you go to a specific discord to do it.

But this is what I meant with these exploratory zones. They arent future proof and you heavily have to rely on a discord to being able to complete its endgame content. This is why I say Eureka and Bozja were failures despite its few good aspects and I still remember the days where people just hated doing Bozja and doing the Relic chain. Nobody ever at the time praised for the content so its highly amusing people here starting to fondly look back at it with those shiny rose-tinted glasses.

Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Prolly depends on the DA or server you're on. I know on my end at Crystal I still see a few people running around to do the content. Although its almost always progression players. I do know that Savage DA is pretty much dead unless you go to a specific discord to do it.

But this is what I meant with these exploratory zones. They arent future proof and you heavily have to rely on a discord to being able to complete its endgame content. This is why I say Eureka and Bozja were failures despite its few good aspects and I still remember the days where people just hated doing Bozja and doing the Relic chain. Nobody ever at the time praised for the content so its highly amusing people here starting to fondly look back at it with those shiny rose-tinted glasses.

Yeah, as anticlimactic as this relic is, depending on how the future patches handle the rest of it. This could be the most future proof ready relic we have had yet.

I would definitely like to see relic future proofed. Straight to tomes seems to be jumping the shark but ending up at tomes... that seems future proofed which is good. Although to plug an idea I suggested before, I feel using the beast tribe's after sometime has past to act as future proof would be another idea. Each expansion's tribe being able to help with steps in the relic (rather than purely dumping it at the feet of tomes). The help they offer being whatever that step needs to be less painful / proof'd.

Some of the eureka stuff seems to be discord or never accomplish, which imo is a shame. Beast tribe token to spawn a instance with super echo, or just allowing blue mage in being something that might help. Besides ultimate I like the idea that with patience I have a pretty good chance to do all content at some point (which is what im usually refering to by a rolling mountain).