Relic News - 6.45

[Absimiliard]

Because the casuals literally can't complete the content.

This isn't a casual thing. This is an SE being lazy (or, alternatively, FFXIV being left with a skeleton crew) thing. Plenty of casual players do go out and complete the content, though sometimes not in what you might call a timely manner. The ultra-casual, do nothing but sit in a venue all day sorts, on the other hand...

[Jeeqbit]

I see their intention with this, but 1500 tomestone grinds just don't make it the sort of grind it has been in other expansions and therefore you can't consider it a "weapon you worked hard for".

When someone has an ARR relic, a Eureka relic, a Bozja relic, and to a certain extent an anima relic (which is quicker now that it's been nerfed so much but still more effort), you know just how much work that person put in to get it. All the raids, trials, dungeons and farming the person did for it, and that to get it yourself, means you have to put in that work too.

When you see that someone has a Manderville weapon, you know that they spent about 1 minute getting it. It almost doesn't make sense to not have it.

This is an SE being lazy (or, alternatively, FFXIV being left with a skeleton crew) thing.

That isn't it. Obviously, they don't want to force players to do content that they don't want to do, and by making it use tomestones which come from almost all content, they allow you to get the weapon just by doing the content you're doing anyway and, presumably, enjoy doing. It's just that as I explained, it doesn't achieve nearly the same effect as previous relics.

[Absimiliard]

That isn't it. Obviously, they don't want to force players to do content that they don't want to do, and by making it use tomestones which come from almost all content, they allow you to get the weapon just by doing the content you're doing anyway and, presumably, enjoy doing. It's just that as I explained, it doesn't achieve nearly the same effect as previous relics.

I do not entirely agree with this assessment. It's definitely partly the result of things having to be scaled back. We've got too much evidence to that effect for us to simply disregard it. That said, I do think it's probably also the result of people crying so much because they had to do actual content in exchange for powerful equipment, instead of grinding a few dungeons. The problem was that the ones crying were a minority. Most of us were fine with the old relics. We liked putting in so much time and being rewarded with a BiS piece of gear at the end of it. But now? Now they're easy to get, and they suck.

The Manderville relics really add nothing substantive to the game. They're literally just a handout for doing what you would have already. The only even mildly inconvenient aspect of them is having to endure the Manderville quests, but it seems like a good deal of people actually like them for some reason I can't comprehend. It's a zero effort "reward" with stats so low it might as well not have been added to the game at all.

[Ath192]

That isn't it. Obviously, they don't want to force players to do content that they don't want to do, and by making it use tomestones which come from almost all content, they allow you to get the weapon just by doing the content you're doing anyway and, presumably, enjoy doing. It's just that as I explained, it doesn't achieve nearly the same effect as previous relics.

How about they just give a giant middle finger to the players? TBH I'd feel the same way I do now anyways.